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    His Grace The Most Reverend The Archbishop of Sydney Dr Anthony C Fisher OP BA LLB (Syd) DPhil (Oxon), chancellor and adjunct professor, released latest doomsday prediction following a potential referendum on same-sex marriage down under proposed by His Highness the Australian Prime Minister and conservative Liberal leader, The Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP BA LLB (Syd) BCL (Oxon).

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/democracy-...14-gk8th0.html

    The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has warned of a future in which bishops are jailed, political dissent is all but silenced, scripture lessons are banned, and religious tax exemptions are eroded, should same-sex marriage be legalised.In an address to the Centre for Independent Studies on Wednesday night, Anthony Fisher suggested "religious freedom" in Australia's democracy is at a turning point, and hinges on the upcoming plebiscite on gay nuptials.
    Archbishop Fisher said "the refusal to listen is presently mostly on one side". Photo: Daniel Munoz
    In the next decade, Australia could potentially become a bleak place for people of faith, Archbishop Fisher said."Many clergy and teachers in faith-based schools have been cowed with threats of prosecution for 'hate speech' if they teach that divine law limits marriage to people of opposite sex," he said in a prepared speech."There are also actions pending against evangelical Christian and Maronite​ Catholic business owners for failing to provide photography, stretch limousine and hospitality services for 'gay weddings'."Archbishop Fisher started his speech by transporting the audience to a hypothetical 2025. But said this imagined future that he feared need not come to pass. Australians could instead opt for a future where terms such as "man and wife" and "mother and father" remained the norm."A robust but courteous debate continues, but most agree the decade-long exercise of patience and respect in pursuit of a moral consensus in this area has demonstrated democratic maturity and strengthened, not diminished, common life," he said.In the 2015 Acton Lecture, titled "Should Bakers Be Required to Bake Gay Wedding Cakes?", Archibishop Fisher said proponents of same-sex marriage had failed to listen to detractors."Closed-mindedness is, of course, no monopoly of people engaging on same-sex marriage."But I think the refusal to listen is presently mostly on one side," he said."Advocates of gay marriage seem to think no reasonable person could think other than as they do; that not only are they right on this issue, but that their opponents are irrational and operating out of blind traditionalism or, more likely, hatred."He warned that "ordinary believers and their businesses are given no leeway, and even religious institutions such as schools, hospitals and welfare agencies are expected to toe the PC line" on gay marriage.Earlier this year, the owners of a bakery in the US state of Oregon were ordered to pay almost $200,000 in damages after they refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple."The baker couple faced vilification, boycotts of their business, violent protests and even death threats, and were forced to close their shop and work from home," Archbishop Fisher said.He said this was a test of democracy itself."Even if it would not have been unethical for bakers to assist a same-sex wedding in so remote a way, democracy degenerates into despotism when it licenses such vilification of people's conscientious beliefs."


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    He really seems to want to move forward on this issue... but bishops can only move diagonally.
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    Everyone should have political and religious freedom to extent.
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    Do you want a heated debate?
    (Shall I quote/@ people?)
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Do you want a heated debate?
    (Shall I quote/@ people?)
    It's 12:08am of course not.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    It's 12:08am of course not.
    So? :giggle::giggle:
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Do you want a heated debate?
    (Shall I quote/@ people?)


    Give me dat hit thread!
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    (Original post by Eigo-Jin)
    Everyone should have political and religious freedom to extent.
    And with same-sex marriage passing Australia will be burnt with fire and flooded with water so there won't even be any human left.
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    Give me dat hit thread!
    I take that as a yes?
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    I take that as a yes?
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    What are your thoughts about this? Does gay marriage break democracy, as a majority didn't like it, and does it show a lack of respect to tradition and British values? Does the legalisation of gay marriage erode individual liberty? Should gays be allowed to marry?

    What are your thoughts on homosexuality?


    TheCitizenAct (I can trust you to say something, whatever it may be. )(Think of all those labels...)(Do homosexuals have a higher tendency to infringe on the rights of the individual, in private businesses also? Is this wrong?)
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    Thoughts regarding homosexuality? Has it got anything to do with HIV? What's our purpose (in life)?
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    (Original post by XcitingStuart)
    Skeptique
    thesabbath
    The_Mighty_Bush

    slade p


    What are your thoughts about this? Does gay marriage break democracy, as a majority didn't like it, and does it show a lack of respect to tradition and British values? Does the legalisation of gay marriage erode individual liberty? Should gays be allowed to marry?

    What are your thoughts on homosexuality?


    TheCitizenAct (I can trust you to say something, whatever it may be. )(Think of all those labels...)(Do homosexuals have a higher tendency to infringe on the rights of the individual, in private businesses also? Is this wrong?)
    elliemayxo
    Thoughts regarding homosexuality? Has it got anything to do with HIV? What's our purpose (in life)?


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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    And with same-sex marriage passing Australia will be burnt with fire and flooded with water so there won't even be any human left.
    ...I can't tell whether you're being serious or not.
    Do you support what the Bishop said or not?
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    (Original post by Eigo-Jin)
    ...I can't tell whether you're being serious or not.
    Do you support what the Bishop said or not?
    The Archbishop is always right. I'm just pointing out the obvious no-one has mentioned yet: With same-sex marriage, there will come more frequent flooding just like what had happened to the UK. God will also bomb the marathons and create tornados in states where gay marriage is not yet legalised.

    Christians should brace themselves for the gay marital storm.

    God is angry.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    The Archbishop is always right. I'm just pointing out the obvious no-one has mentioned yet: With same-sex marriage, there will come more frequent flooding just like what had happened to the UK. God will also bomb the marathons and create tornados in states where gay marriage is not yet legalised.

    Christians should brace themselves for the gay marital storm.

    God is angry.

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    TheCitizenAct (I can trust you to say something, whatever it may be. )(Think of all those labels...)(Do homosexuals have a higher tendency to infringe on the rights of the individual, in private businesses also? Is this wrong?)
    Would you agree the basis for SSM being legalised is 'people should be free to marry whoever they please, irrespective of orientation'?

    Do you agree with the principle we should apply morality consistently, i.e., if a morality applies in one context, it's only fair to apply it in all contexts?

    Like all groups, LGBTs have a tendency towards own-group bias. Earlier this year LGBTs banned other LGBTs from marching in pride rallies under the UKIP banner. Why? Apparently UKIP refused to pay homage to identity politics, or to place groups before individuals and mention LGBTs in their manifesto.
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    (Original post by Eigo-Jin)
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    Unconstructive post.
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    (Original post by TheCitizenAct)
    Would you agree the basis for SSM being legalised is 'people should be free to marry whoever they please, irrespective of sexuality'?

    Do you agree with the principle we should apply morality consistently, i.e., if a morality applies in one context, it's only fair to apply it in all contexts?

    Like all groups, LGBTs have a tendency towards own-group bias. Earlier this year LGBTs banned other LGBTs from marching in pride rallies under the UKIP banner. Why? Apparently UKIP refused to pay homage to identity politics, or to place groups before individuals and mention LGBTs in their manifesto.
    Would you please discuss the more important issue at hand: The collapse of civilization and extinction of the human race going to be caused by same-sex marriage in Australia??

    Like, Jezz, priorities!
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Unconstructive post.
    Is that your actual, serious, genuine opinion? Maybe it's all the trolls on TSR, but I'm having a hard time telling if you are being sarcastic.

    Are you a catholic or christian?
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    (Original post by Eigo-Jin)
    Is that your actual, serious, genuine opinion? Maybe it's all the trolls on TSR, but I'm having a hard time telling if you are being sarcastic.

    Are you a catholic or christian?
    I believe it's what they call reductio ad absurdum, or, in other words, reducing your opponents argument to ridiculous or absurd proportions, and then criticising, mocking or satirising the outcome.
 
 
 
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