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    Briton Haroon Aswat has just been sentenced to 20 years in prison in the US for plotting to set up a terrorist training camp there.

    Sound good so far?

    He's a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, who was being treated in Broadmoor psychiatric hospital while in the UK. The EU had blocked his extradition to the US over concerns that he would not be treated humanely but this was overruled by High Court judges.

    Why the hell is someone with a severe mental illness that thwarts that person's understanding of reality being locked up in the same way that we attempt to deter, punish and 'correct' people of sound mind?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34556873
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    At what point does it say it stops him from understanding reality?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    At what point does it say it stops him from understanding reality?
    'Schizophrenia is defined as “a chronic mental illness in which a person loses touch with reality (psychosis)" '

    -Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    'Schizophrenia is defined as “a chronic mental illness in which a person loses touch with reality (psychosis)" '

    -Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research
    Only if left untreated or it is very severe.

    He was a terrorist and deserves to be punished.
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    he understood that he:
    -conspired with radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri to set up a camp 15 years ago in Oregon and he also pleaded guilty to one count of "providing material support to al-Qaeda", sounds like he knew what he was doing.
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    he understood that he:
    -conspired with radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri to set up a camp 15 years ago in Oregon and he also pleaded guilty to one count of "providing material support to al-Qaeda", sounds like he knew what he was doing.
    This does not engage with my point. If someone is suffering from such a serious and reality-distorting mental illness then these sorts of actions cannot be treated in the same way as we would treat them from someone of sound mind. We do not send murderers with documented and serious mental illnesses to prison here and for good reason.

    Presumably that is why he was in a mental hospital in the UK and why the EU blocked his extradition to the US. This man surely belongs in a hospital.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Only if left untreated or it is very severe.
    The definition I provided stands. That is what schizophrenia is: a distortion of reality - particularly in the case of paranoid schizophrenia.

    He was a terrorist and deserves to be punished.
    Someone should not be punished for having a mental illness.
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    All you are going to get here is that he was a terrorist because most people don't like to admit that they sent an ill man to a bad fate.

    They can't put ill and terrorist together. For them it's clear as day, it's black and white.
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    You need a better link than the Mayo Foundation. The organisation (and related groups, such as the Mayo Clinic) is known to have posted several self-serving fraudulent "research" articles and even paid a circumfetishist Australian ex-lecturer (Brian Morris) to fake a study in relation to male genital mutilation (circumcision), which is still rather prevalent in the USA, notwithstanding that rates have been dropping due to better education in more recent times. In short, it's run by a bunch of loons.
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    (Original post by PJismyname)
    You need a better link than the Mayo Foundation. The organisation (and related groups, such as the Mayo Clinic) is known to have posted several self-serving fraudulent "research" articles and even paid a circumfetishist Australian ex-lecturer (Brian Morris) to fake a study in relation to male genital mutilation (circumcision), which is still rather prevalent in the USA, notwithstanding that rates have been dropping due to better education in more recent times. In short, it's run by a bunch of loons.
    He literally just copied and pasted a definition, which is of good standing. It wasn't an article. Unless I missed something? Your bias has nothing to do with this.
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    he understood that he:
    -conspired with radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri to set up a camp 15 years ago in Oregon and he also pleaded guilty to one count of "providing material support to al-Qaeda", sounds like he knew what he was doing.
    So if a mental dude has plans to kill everyone he sees, is he of a clear understanding of what he is doing? Surely the way me and you understand and know will be different to his reality which will be warped god-knows(or even he doesn't know) how much.
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    Not bias when it's factual. Would you consider someone an "expert witness" in a criminal trial if it turned out he was known for making stuff up? Same principle.
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    (Original post by PJismyname)
    You need a better link than the Mayo Foundation. The organisation (and related groups, such as the Mayo Clinic) is known to have posted several self-serving fraudulent "research" articles and even paid a circumfetishist Australian ex-lecturer (Brian Morris) to fake a study in relation to male genital mutilation (circumcision), which is still rather prevalent in the USA, notwithstanding that rates have been dropping due to better education in more recent times. In short, it's run by a bunch of loons.
    I won't bother asking for a source on this side-tracking, since an effectively identical definition is given by other organisations. Here is the Oxford dictionary's definition:

    'a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation'
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    (Original post by PJismyname)
    Not bias when it's factual. Would you consider someone an "expert witness" in a criminal trial if it turned out he was known for making stuff up? Same principle.
    You could be right or not but it literally doesn't mean anything. The definition, as posted above, is very similar between any dictionary.
 
 
 
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