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    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...tation-from-uk

    Daniel Gardonyi was someone who peacefully protested against the demolition of the Sweets Way social housing estate. The last resident was a disabled man who was forced out of the property by Police smashing the windows and flogging tear gas into the property.

    Now Daniel Gardonyi is being deported out of the UK under Operation Nexus which is reserved for high harm foreign national offenders. He wasn't charged with any crime when he was arrested yet the Government tries to use legislation reserved for terrorists against normal law abiding foreigners.

    Is this justice? No!

    This is the Tory Government removing their opposition at any opportunity that raises its self. This like most things the Tories do is a political choice!

    This is unlawful but Conservatives don't obey the law because the law for some reason is below them.

    By the way the disabled man is homeless now.

    IS THIS THE KIND OF SOCIETY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN? A SOCIETY THAT MAKES THE MOST VULNERABLE HOMELESS?

    YOU HAVE MORE CHANCE OF BECOMING DISABLED THAN YOU DO OF BECOMING RICH.


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    Who cares, he's a squatter and a notorious trouble maker.

    He won't be missed

    Also, RT. Great.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Who cares, he's a squatter and a notorious trouble maker.

    He won't be missed

    Also, RT. Great.
    You're not concerned that the government is deporting people who haven't actually committed a crime?
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    He's not a British citizen, so I can't say I'm that bothered. Like the Home Office said in the article:
    “EU nationals who have been in the country for longer than three months have to be working, studying, self-employed or self-sufficient in order to have a right to stay. If they are not, or don’t have a genuine prospect of doing so, the Home Office expects them to return home.”
    However, deporting him under "Operation Nexus" seems a stretch.

    Yes people have a right to protest in the UK, but if they're not British citizens and are unemployed and not studying or self-sufficient and are causing trouble, then I struggle to sympathise.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    yet the Government tries to use legislation reserved for terrorists against normal law abiding foreigners.

    Is this justice? No!

    This is the Tory Government removing their opposition at any opportunity that raises its self. This like most things the Tories do is a political choice!
    You are infuriating, illegaltobepoor. You are infuriating because your Tory hatred is preventing you from seeing that the problem is not the Tory party: no one at the Conservative meeting suggested "yes. What we want is to start deporting cripples". What you are seeing is the corruption of power where the government has too much power and nothing constricting it. The press don't do it. People don't read anymore. The church has been successfully stripped of any legitimacy because "muh irrational skygod" meme. And who wanted the government to have this kind of power? You did.

    You and every other socialist wanted the state to be able to be totalitarian, as long as that meant equality and rainbows. I'm afraid you're going to have to redirect your loathing exclusively from the Tories and spread it to -state power- instead. And then point the finger at yourself.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...tation-from-uk

    Daniel Gardonyi was someone who peacefully protested against the demolition of the Sweets Way social housing estate. The last resident was a disabled man who was forced out of the property by Police smashing the windows and flogging tear gas into the property.

    Now Daniel Gardonyi is being deported out of the UK under Operation Nexus which is reserved for high harm foreign national offenders. He wasn't charged with any crime when he was arrested yet the Government tries to use legislation reserved for terrorists against normal law abiding foreigners.

    Is this justice? No!

    This is the Tory Government removing their opposition at any opportunity that raises its self. This like most things the Tories do is a political choice!

    This is unlawful but Conservatives don't obey the law because the law for some reason is below them.

    By the way the disabled man is homeless now.

    IS THIS THE KIND OF SOCIETY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN? A SOCIETY THAT MAKES THE MOST VULNERABLE HOMELESS?

    YOU HAVE MORE CHANCE OF BECOMING DISABLED THAN YOU DO OF BECOMING RICH.


    It is actually completely legal under EU law to remove that man. Go read a law book or two please.
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    Vote Labour!
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Vote Labour!
    Just waiting for when some Blairite Labour MPs get kicked out of the party by Momentum.
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    (Original post by Wave of Wisdom)
    You are infuriating, illegaltobepoor. You are infuriating because your Tory hatred is preventing you from seeing that the problem is not the Tory party: no one at the Conservative meeting suggested "yes. What we want is to start deporting cripples". What you are seeing is the corruption of power where the government has too much power and nothing constricting it. The press don't do it. People don't read anymore. The church has been successfully stripped of any legitimacy because "muh irrational skygod" meme. And who wanted the government to have this kind of power? You did.

    You and every other socialist wanted the state to be able to be totalitarian, as long as that meant equality and rainbows. I'm afraid you're going to have to redirect your loathing exclusively from the Tories and spread it to -state power- instead. And then point the finger at yourself.
    Unbelievable doublethink

    Do you think the totalitarian Blair government, to which you are presumably referring, was supported by socialists? Most felt betrayed by his Thatcherite approach to statecraft and economics. They marched in their millions against the war, voted in their millions for the Lib Dems and have expressed it again by voting for Corbyn today.

    The only authoritarians in our country are on the right. The nasty little hypocrites love the big state when it's used for bullying defenceless people.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Unbelievable doublethink

    Do you think the totalitarian Blair government, to which you are presumably referring,
    The only authoritarians in our country are on the right. The nasty little hypocrites love the big state when it's used for bullying defenceless people.
    Nothing wrong with authoritarians. Totalitarians are the problem, which isn't just Blair's government. it started in the 50s and gets progressively more totalitarian to where we are now. You seriously are so blinded by this bogeyman "right wing" that you apply all the societal ills to that tag.

    Again.... >Love the big state

    Don't you.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Unbelievable doublethink

    Do you think the totalitarian Blair government, to which you are presumably referring, was supported by socialists? Most felt betrayed by his Thatcherite approach to statecraft and economics. They marched in their millions against the war, voted in their millions for the Lib Dems and have expressed it again by voting for Corbyn today.

    The only authoritarians in our country are on the right. The nasty little hypocrites love the big state when it's used for bullying defenceless people.
    Hilarious. Did you read this in the Morning Star?
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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    Hilarious. Did you read this in the Morning Star?
    Of course not. What is your problem with the analysis?
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    (Original post by Wave of Wisdom)
    Nothing wrong with authoritarians. Totalitarians are the problem, which isn't just Blair's government. it started in the 50s and gets progressively more totalitarian to where we are now. You seriously are so blinded by this bogeyman "right wing" that you apply all the societal ills to that tag.

    Again.... >Love the big state

    Don't you.
    Well the same is true of you with socialism. I have just described how self described socialists have been opposed to totalitarianism under even the recent Labour government.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Well the same is true of you with socialism. I have just described how self described socialists have been opposed to totalitarianism under even the recent Labour government.
    Socialism inevitably leads to totalitarianism because it gives the state far too much control over peoples lives and its goal of "equality" requires totalitarian control to ever become close to a reality because it fundamentally contradicts with reality and human nature.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Well the same is true of you with socialism. I have just described how self described socialists have been opposed to totalitarianism under even the recent Labour government.
    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Socialism inevitably leads to totalitarianism because it gives the state far too much control over peoples lives and its goal of "equality" requires totalitarian control to ever become close to a reality because it fundamentally contradicts with reality and human nature.
    This. You are drawing a false equivalence so you can claim we are the same, but opposite. Opposite yes, because I have a desire for freedom and you have a desire for equality.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Socialism inevitably leads to totalitarianism because it gives the state far too much control over peoples lives and its goal of "equality" requires totalitarian control to ever become close to a reality because it fundamentally contradicts with reality and human nature.
    Sounds like unfounded dogma to me, it looks like it's the right wing which is more totalitarian in recent decades, although I appreciate you're the type who bangs on about how Cameron is a socialist

    Theresa May has announced today a McCarthyite purge of "the public sector", which apparently shelters more extremists than you can shake a stick at. Considering the neat coincidence of Mr Godanyi's case, which illustrates that someone protesting about housing shortages is an extremist, I think as a right-winger you, not "socialists", are the one with questions to answer about totalitarianism.

    Government is in essence authoritarian of course, totalitarianism being a small step away. So it's easy for you to cherry-pick (nominally) left-wing governments and ham up what they did while ignoring what right-wing governments have done.
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    (Original post by Wave of Wisdom)
    This. You are drawing a false equivalence so you can claim we are the same, but opposite. Opposite yes, because I have a desire for freedom and you have a desire for equality.
    Where have I mentioned equality? This seems to be rather a chip on the shoulder for your sort: particularly, I hate identity politics and equality of outcome. True socialists are on your, and my, side on identity politics: the Labour Party (following the lead of the US Democrats in a country which had never had a politically organised labour rights movement) took on identity politics in the 1980s and 1990s to replace its commitment to socialised ownership of the means of production (Clause IV). See my response to The Mighty Bush above.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You're not concerned that the government is deporting people who haven't actually committed a crime?
    if it is as you say then they will win on appeal which is why I suspect it is not.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)

    Government is in essence authoritarian of course, totalitarianism being a small step away. So it's easy for you to cherry-pick (nominally) left-wing governments and ham up what they did while ignoring what right-wing governments have done.
    Indeed. However, it is inescapable that what you describe as right-wing politics involves a smaller state, and what you describe as left-wing involves a larger state which seeks to exercise greater control over individuals. Therefore it is self-evident that left-wing governments are more totalitarian.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Sounds like unfounded dogma to me, it looks like it's the right wing which is more totalitarian in recent decades, although I appreciate you're the type who bangs on about how Cameron is a socialist

    Theresa May has announced today a McCarthyite purge of "the public sector", which apparently shelters more extremists than you can shake a stick at. Considering the neat coincidence of Mr Godanyi's case, which illustrates that someone protesting about housing shortages is an extremist, I think as a right-winger you, not "socialists", are the one with questions to answer about totalitarianism.

    Government is in essence authoritarian of course, totalitarianism being a small step away. So it's easy for you to cherry-pick (nominally) left-wing governments and ham up what they did while ignoring what right-wing governments have done.
    Its not unfounded. It logically follows from socialism and we can numerous occasions in history where socialism has resulted in totalitarianism.

    This government are clearly not really right-wing in any real sense and then are numerous examples of how they aren't. One is that they aren't seriously cutting the state, they aren't socially conservative, they are mostly pro-EU and they believe in democracy which is fundamentally left-wing. We live in a leftist age and this is clear to any objective analysis of history.

    Also on the point of McCarthyist "purges" I would support this but I highly doubt that the Tory party are in any way serious about this. If they are then it is way overdue. McCarthyist isn't exactly a very good insult because documents made public after the fall of the Soviet Union clearly show that he was right all along. Our mistake was not listening to him.
 
 
 
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