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Stalinest Seumas Milne to be Corbyn's communication and strategy chief watch

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    More proof Corbyn is not taking this seriously and probably just wants out of the job as quick as possible. Why else would you appoint a Stalin apologist as your head of comms?

    Here's a taste of Milne's work

    https://shirazsocialist.wordpress.co...sing-millions/
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    What if the Stalinists end up purging him?
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    Challenging the more 'out there' estimates of Stalin's victim count is not being a Stalin apologist. Ironically, he wrote about such accusations at the end of the article:

    If,however, a figure of 20 million or 25 million becomes current currency, it adds credence to the Stalin-Hitler comparison. Already, anyone who questions these figures — even in the academic debates — is denounced as a “neo-Stalinist.”
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    Apparently at uni (PPE Oxford by the way new politics eh?) his friends said he was such a pro Stalinist that he had snow in his boots!
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Challenging the more 'out there' estimates of Stalin's victim count is not being a Stalin apologist. Ironically, he wrote about such accusations at the end of the article:

    Yes and I'm sure someone who went round claiming the holocaust was not as bad as everyone thinks is a perfectly sort of normal chap you want running a major uk party. Who wouldnt elect that right?
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    I remember seeing Seumas Milne in real life at a pro-Palestine rally. What I remember of his stuff with the Guardian is that he is very left wing and so he suits this role with Jeremy Corbyn?
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    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    Apparently at uni (PPE Oxford by the way new politics eh?) his friends said he was such a pro Stalinist that he had snow in his boots!
    umm really?
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    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    Yes and I'm sure someone who went round claiming the holocaust was not as bad as everyone thinks is a perfectly sort of normal chap you want running a major uk party. Who wouldnt elect that right?
    Oh don't be ridiculous. The evidence for the holocaust is incontrovertible at this point. The number of deaths attributable to Stalin are nowhere near as clear, especially not when this article was written. The evidence is murky and it's difficult to even define which deaths count as 'attributable to Stalin', and so estimates vary massively even today.
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    Captain Haddock being an apologist for communist tyranny and genocide. Who would have thought it? What a disgrace of a man you are.
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    It's hardly an outrageous article, nor grounds to call someone a Stalinist. New data comes to light following glasnost. Academics are able to investigate the number of deaths due to Stalin's policies from a new angle. There is convergence on a figure that happens to be smaller than the original estimate. An academic debate is opened and presumably we discuss the flaws in each methodology. From Wikipedia, since the article was written it appears that there has been a convergence on the range 10-20 million.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Captain Haddock being an apologist for communist tyranny and genocide. Who would have thought it? What a disgrace of a man you are.
    Hmm, yeah, I guess I can see how a stupid person might get that impression from my posts. Carry on.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Hmm, yeah, I guess I can see how a stupid person might get that impression from my posts. Carry on.
    You are the one stupid enough to believe socialism is a good idea.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    You are the one stupid enough to believe socialism is a good idea.
    You are the one that actually advocates dictatorship of some kind and is vehemently apposed to universal suffrage. Most right wingers that get angry at any notion of left actually at least claim to be upholders of western liberal democracy. That's what genuinely motivates them.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You are the one that actually advocates dictatorship of some kind and is
    vehemently apposed to universal suffrage. Most right wingers that get angry at any notion of left actually at least claim to be upholders of western liberal democracy. That's what genuinely what motivates them.
    Conflating monarchy and dictatorship - sign of an uneducated mind. Modern liberal democracies are significantly more dictatorial and totalitarian than traditional monarchies.

    That's because they haven't woken up to reality and properly severed the egalitarian cord around their necks.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It's hardly an outrageous article, nor grounds to call someone a Stalinist. New data comes to light following glasnost. Academics are able to investigate the number of deaths due to Stalin's policies from a new angle. There is convergence on a figure that happens to be smaller than the original estimate. An academic debate is opened and presumably we discuss the flaws in each methodology. From Wikipedia, since the article was written it appears that there has been a convergence on the range 10-20 million.
    Please don't take my word for it. Feel free to research his stuff where he has no problems defending Putinism.

    (Original post by MJlover)
    I remember seeing Seumas Milne in real life at a pro-Palestine rally. What I remember of his stuff with the Guardian is that he is very left wing and so he suits this role with Jeremy Corbyn?
    I've been called right wing many times as a lib dem supporter but I would consider myself well to the left of someone who supports facist dictators. but hey maybe I've been reading politics wrong these last few years!


    The point here is that yet again Corbyn is NOT reaching out to centrist views. He's stuck in protesting mind set where he does not even consider how his actions look tp the public.
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    (Original post by skeptical_john)
    Please don't take my word for it. Feel free to research his stuff where he has no problems defending Putinism.
    This might be relevant if I was making a claim to support Seumas Milne, but I'm not, am I? Just pointing out why this article is not the smoking gun you appear to think it is. As "skeptical" John you should welcome it when academics bring new data to bear on old consensuses.

    I have never seen in principle what's wrong with Holocaust revisionism either. Historians should examine all sources dispassionately without dogma coming into the equation.

    However with the Holocaust there has always been far more evidence available and an academic consensus was long ago reached, with disagreements at least one order of magnitude lower than with Stalin, so there is a large probability that anyone revising the Holocaust has ulterior motives.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    This might be relevant if I was making a claim to support Seumas Milne, but I'm not, am I? Just pointing out why this article is not the smoking gun you appear to think it is. As "skeptical" John you should welcome it when academics bring new data to bear on old consensuses.

    I have never seen in principle what's wrong with Holocaust revisionism either. Historians should examine all sources dispassionately without dogma coming into the equation.

    However with the Holocaust there has always been far more evidence available and an academic consensus was long ago reached, with disagreements at least one order of magnitude lower than with Stalin, so there is a large probability that anyone revising the Holocaust has ulterior motives.
    maybe if he was doing some kind of peer reviewed academic paper I would be totally with you but it's a puff piece in a left wing broadsheet from someone who has a vast body of evidence and openly supports fascist right wing leaders.

    24 pages of evidence is right there.
    http://www.theguardian.com/profile/seumasmilne
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    Calling Putin a "fascist". How low can political discourse actually sink?
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Calling Putin a "fascist". How low can political discourse actually sink?
    Do you wish we had our own Putin ruling us?

    Fascist has always been bandied around incorrectly from the moment fascism was a thing. Although I suspect what I think is fascism and what you think is fascism is probably different.
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    Seumas Milne is a real scum bag.

    He blamed 9/11 on America
    Blamed 7/7 on us
    His playing down of the atrocities of Stalin is on the same level as people who do the same with the Holocaust
    Has been a massive cheerleader for communism under Stalin
    Has argued to excuse Al Qaeda and their members on the basis that everything they do is our fault
    Has defended Ahmadinejad
    Is a huge supporter of Venezuela even though it's one of the most naturally oil-rich countries outside the Arab gulf yet most of the people are in poverty because the leaders are that corrupt which is why Chavez was actually much-hated in Venezuela. (In fact I've honestly never met one of these British Venezuela supporters who have ever met an actual Venezuelan)
    Is a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Fatah.

    So basically he is the perfect strategist for Corbyn because they share most of the same views. I didn't go into his outspoken views of destroying capitalism because that doesn't make him a bad person like the above do, just nuts.

    To be honest I don't really see how his delusional supporters can continue to claim Corbyn isn't on the fringe following this appointment. But then again, they did after the appointment of McDonnell as PM so you never know.............
 
 
 
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