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Help with Change of Variable in Multiple Integral Question

An ellipse is given by

x2a+y2b=1\frac{x^2}{a} +\frac{y^2}{b} = 1

You want to find the area by using a change of coordinates:
x = r cos θ, y =bra\frac{br}{a}sin θ.
Find the range of values of r and θ that correspond to the interior of the ellipse.

Find the Jacobian of the transformation.
Find the area.

Now the Jacobian I got was J=braJ = \frac{br}{a}

Now the problem is..... I don't know what to integrate...is it:

0π01x2+y2 dxdy\displaystyle\int^\pi_0\int^1_0 x^{2} + y^{2}\ dx dy

then substituting in x = r cos θ, y =bra\frac{br}{a}sin θ

0π01[(rcosθ)2+(brasin2θ)]bradrdθ\displaystyle\int^\pi_0 \int^1_0 [(rcos\theta)^{2} + (\frac{br}{a}sin^{2}\theta)]\frac{br}{a}drd\theta

Because I haven't been given the function so I assumed it was integrating
x2+y2x^{2} + y^{2}...Please check if my limits are right they are (2pi and 0) for the first integral....Don't know how to write 2pi in the integral using latex yet!

And if this is right....why can't I get the correct answer?

Thanks
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 1
Original post by mathsRus
An ellipse is given by

x2a+y2b=1\frac{x^2}{a} +\frac{y^2}{b} = 1

You want to find the area by using a change of coordinates:
x = r cos θ, y =bra\frac{br}{a}sin θ.
Find the range of values of r and θ that correspond to the interior of the ellipse.

Find the Jacobian of the transformation.
Find the area.

Now the Jacobian I got was J=braJ = \frac{br}{a}

Now the problem is..... I don't know what to integrate...is it:

0π01x2+y2 dxdy\displaystyle\int^\pi_0\int^1_0 x^{2} + y^{2}\ dx dy

then substituting in x = r cos θ, y =bra\frac{br}{a}sin θ

0π01[(rcosθ)2+(brasin2θ)]bradrdθ\displaystyle\int^\pi_0 \int^1_0 [(rcos\theta)^{2} + (\frac{br}{a}sin^{2}\theta)]\frac{br}{a}drd\theta

Because I haven't been given the function so I assumed it was integrating
x2+y2x^{2} + y^{2}...Please check if my limits are right they are (2pi and 0) for the first integral....Don't know how to write 2pi in the integral using latex yet!

And if this is right....why can't I get the correct answer?

Thanks


post a photo of the question (saves you type too)
Reply 2
Original post by TeeEm
post a photo of the question (saves you type too)


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here it is :smile:
Reply 3
Original post by mathsRus
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here it is :smile:


firstly apologies I refuse to use LaTeX

the area is the Integral of 1 dA, where dA is the area element

in other words dA = J dr

the transformation they give you makes the ellipse into a circle of radius a

to sweep this area you need

r=0 to r=a

and

θ=0 to θ=2π
Reply 4
Original post by TeeEm
firstly apologies I refuse to use LaTeX

the area is the Integral of 1 dA, where dA is the area element

in other words dA = J dr

the transformation they give you makes the ellipse into a circle of radius a

to sweep this area you need

r=0 to r=a

and

θ=0 to θ=2π



So is it?
A = 02π0abradrdθ\displaystyle\int^{2\pi} _0 \int^a_0\frac{br}{a}drd\theta
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by mathsRus
So is it?
A = 02π01bradrdθ\displaystyle\int^{2\pi} _0 \int^1_0\frac{br}{a}drd\theta


almost

r goes from 0 to a
Reply 6
Original post by TeeEm

almost

r goes from 0 to a


yup still getting used to Latex!\mathrm{Latex!}

I still don't understand how this question kind of transforms it into a circle
Reply 7
Original post by mathsRus
yup still getting used to Latex!\mathrm{Latex!}

I still don't understand how this question kind of transforms it into a circle


I was hoping you would not ask ....

well

first multiply the ellipse as given by a2

x2 + (a2y2)/b2

then X = x, Y =( ay/b )

X2 + Y2 = a2
Reply 8
Original post by TeeEm
I was hoping you would not ask ....

well

first multiply the ellipse as given by a2

x2 + (a2y2)/b2

then X = x, Y =( ay/b )

X2 + Y2 = a2


wow that is some trick of playing around I will have to learn haha

Thanks
Reply 9
Original post by mathsRus
wow that is some trick of playing around I will have to learn haha

Thanks


no worries...
keep practicing

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