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    Jeremy Corbyn has recently appointed a new aide, who has defended terrorism against the US, commissioned articles by Osama Bin laden, and most recently said that Lee Rigby's death was not an act of terrorism, as it wasn't an "indiscriminate attack on citizens" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...terrorism.html)
    Does Corby not see what he is doing to the Labour party? In this day and age, when terrorism is a real threat and we need to be aware, hiring a terrorist sympathizer isn't a good idea.
    What are your thoughts on this?
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    Maybe he is looking at the bigger picture. Which is more terrifying? A civil flight being flown into a skyscraper or seeing the US / UK army coming over the hill to flatten your village?

    Terror and acts of terror are relative. I am getting fed up with the default position that the only way to defeat it is by force. Has no one learned anything in the last 15 years? Perhaps the reason these "terrorists" keep trying to attack us is because of the way we treat them?

    If we can stop getting all emotional about it, stand back and look at the bigger picture there is a small chance some sort of peace can be sought. But pretending you can kill all the bad guys is a recipe to nothing.

    The world is a more dangerous place since 911. Not because of what the terrorists did, but because of how we reacted. My opinion yes, but I don't think we have helped anyone, least not ourselves.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Maybe he is looking at the bigger picture. Which is more terrifying? A civil flight being flown into a skyscraper or seeing the US / UK army coming over the hill to flatten your village?

    Terror and acts of terror are relative. I am getting fed up with the default position that the only way to defeat it is by force. Has no one learned anything in the last 15 years? Perhaps the reason these "terrorists" keep trying to attack us is because of the way we treat them?

    If we can stop getting all emotional about it, stand back and look at the bigger picture there is a small chance some sort of peace can be sought. But pretending you can kill all the bad guys is a recipe to nothing.

    The world is a more dangerous place since 911. Not because of what the terrorists did, but because of how we reacted. My opinion yes, but I don't think we have helped anyone, least not ourselves.
    why have you put terrorists in quotation marks?
    They perform acts of terror to try and get us to do what we want. granted, the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars were also acts of terror, but you cannot say that these people who come and slaughter innocent people (take Lee Rigby, he did nothing wrong.) is because they're annoyed.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    Jeremy Corbyn has recently appointed a new aide, who has defended terrorism against the US, commissioned articles by Osama Bin laden, and most recently said that Lee Rigby's death was not an act of terrorism, as it wasn't an "indiscriminate attack on citizens" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...terrorism.html)
    Does Corby not see what he is doing to the Labour party? In this day and age, when terrorism is a real threat and we need to be aware, hiring a terrorist sympathizer isn't a good idea.
    What are your thoughts on this?
    Not to mention, Seumas Milne is yet another champagne socialist who inherited millions from his father, lives in million-pound house, and sent his children to private schools even though state schools were much closer to his home.
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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    Not to mention, Seumas Milne is yet another champagne socialist who inherited millions from his father, lives in million-pound house, and sent his children to private schools even though state schools were much closer to his home.
    I saw that! He went to a top grammar school but is set against them, as he thinks they're unfair! Double standards, it's okay for him to be rich and do rich people things, but it's not okay for people who work hard to be rich!
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    and most recently said that Lee Rigby's death was not an act of terrorism, as it wasn't an "indiscriminate attack on citizens" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...terrorism.html)
    Well he is right, it was not an act of terrorism. It was simply a murder.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Well he is right, it was not an act of terrorism. It was simply a murder.
    It WAS an act of terrorism. They used terror to try and force people to act the same way as them. They stated themselves it was an act of terror, and they had done it to try and start a war.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    I saw that! He went to a top grammar school but is set against them, as he thinks they're unfair! Double standards, it's okay for him to be rich and do rich people things, but it's not okay for people who work hard to be rich!
    have you ever thought about the possibility that he wasnt the one who decided he wanted to go to grammar school? He was a child when his parents sent him to grammar school. Doesnt mean he would send his children to grammar school. Use your brain for once in your life.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    have you ever thought about the possibility that he wasnt the one who decided he wanted to go to grammar school? He was a child when his parents sent him to grammar school. Doesnt mean he would send his children to grammar school. Use your brain for once in your life.
    You're right, he didn't send his children to grammar schools. he sent them to private schools instead, which are surely worse? They create an even bigger divide in society? (Which is absolute rubbish, they're there for people who can afford them, but that's another matter). Also, if you're going to tell me to use my brain, at least use apostrophes.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    It WAS an act of terrorism. They used terror to try and force people to act the same way as them. They stated themselves it was an act of terror, and they had done it to try and start a war.
    Do you mean like we did when we invaded Iraq and tried to impose Democracy on them? I think some studies have estimated that up to 100,000 Iraqis died in that war, many of them as a direct result of our actions.

    And we get all upset when one soldier is killed at home? A bit of perspective is required I think.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Do you mean like we did when we invaded Iraq and tried to impose Democracy on them? I think some studies have estimated that up to 100,000 Iraqis died in that war, many of them as a direct result of our actions.

    And we get all upset when one soldier is killed at home? A bit of perspective is required I think.
    I'm outraged at the wars and find them absolutely disgusting. But I think there is every reason to get upset over the murder of lee Rigby as well.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    I'm outraged at the wars and find them absolutely disgusting. But I think there is every reason to get upset over the murder of lee Rigby as well.
    But why was he killed? Was it not because we perhaps killed some of their lot? So where does it stop? Do we go and kill a few more of their lot to avenge the killing of Lee Rigby? Where does it stop?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    But why was he killed? Was it not because we perhaps killed some of their lot? So where does it stop? Do we go and kill a few more of their lot to avenge the killing of Lee Rigby? Where does it stop?
    He was killed because two terrorists saw him in his uniform and decided to mow him down with a car, leaving him unable to defend himself, and then dismember him.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    He was killed because two terrorists saw him in his uniform and decided to mow him down with a car, leaving him unable to defend himself, and then dismember him.
    Indeed. Because our soldiers would never do such horrendous things:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...rimes#Iraq_War
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    But why was he killed? Was it not because we perhaps killed some of their lot? So where does it stop? Do we go and kill a few more of their lot to avenge the killing of Lee Rigby? Where does it stop?
    You really are a scum bag
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    You really are a scum bag
    Where did that come from? One what basis?

    Because I find it horrendous when UK folks get killed but equally horrendous when Iraqi or Afghan citizens get killed at the hands of Allied soldiers too? How does that make me a scumbag?

    Feel free to disagree and tell me why, but resorting to petty name calling is just plain pathetic!
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Where did that come from? One what basis?

    Because I find it horrendous when UK folks get killed but equally horrendous when Iraqi or Afghan citizens get killed at the hands of Allied soldiers too? How does that make me a scumbag?

    Feel free to disagree and tell me why, but resorting to petty name calling is just plain pathetic!
    You've basically come on here and said that things such as 9/11 (which happened before most of those wars, the Iraqi war was mainly started because of it!) and lee Rigby's murder don't matter, because some armies have committed war crimes.
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    (Original post by JessThomas6)
    You've basically come on here and said that things such as 9/11 (which happened before most of those wars, the Iraqi war was mainly started because of it!) and lee Rigby's murder don't matter, because some armies have committed war crimes.
    Your words not mine. The OP came on here saying that Seumas Milne was some sort of terrorist sympathiser. If you are an Afghani whose village was flattened by the UK army, they might say the UK army were terrorists.

    So what exactly is a terrorist sympathiser? One who supports our lot, or theirs? What is the difference between the murder of Lee Rigby or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians killed over the last 15 years? That is my point. All of them matter and all are human beings with families whose lives have been destroyed over a matter of principal.

    I am just fed up of the word terrorist. If a terrorist is someone who commits acts of terror then we are as much terrorists as those who commit acts of terror against us. Once we can understand that, we can come closer to finding a solution, but continuing to wage war against others is not going to stop people wanting to get us back. Can no one see that?
 
 
 
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