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1. i am having problem with one question on my exercise ,
Q the roots of the equation ax^2+bx+c=0 differ by 1. prove that b^2-a^2-4ac=0
pls help!!!
2. (Original post by Pearl1323)
i am having problem with one question on my exercise ,
Q the roots of the equation ax^2+bx+c=0 differ by 1. prove that b^2-a^2-4ac=0
pls help!!!
What have you tried so far?
3. um... i try k(x-alpha)(x-beta) which i know is not quite right
i don't get what differ by 1 actually want me to do1!!
4. (Original post by Pearl1323)
i am having problem with one question on my exercise ,
Q the roots of the equation ax^2+bx+c=0 differ by 1. prove that b^2-a^2-4ac=0
pls help!!!
Call your roots alpha and alpha + 1
5. (Original post by Pearl1323)
um... i try k(x-alpha)(x-beta) which i know is not quite right
i don't get what differ by 1 actually want me to do1!!
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What are the two solutions to the quadratic equation in the question?
6. Look into the two roots from the quadratic equation & see what it means for the two roots to differ by 1.
7. (Original post by homeworkbazaar)
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nice plug.
8. (Original post by oniisanitstoobig)
Look into the two roots from the quadratic equation & see what it means for the two roots to differ by 1.
Probably not the expected approach, but undoubtedly the easiest here...
9. so it should be k(x-alpha) (x-beta-1) like that ?
10. (Original post by Pearl1323)
so it should be k(x-alpha) (x-beta-1) like that ?
No. If you want to do it this way, then the general form is going to be

k(x-alpha)(x-beta).

But since you know the roots differ by 1, you can (without loss of generality) assume beta = alpha+1, and so rewrite as

k(x-alpha)(x-alpha-1).

However, for this problem the method suggested by oniisanitstoobig is going to be easier.
11. what is the other method? ><
12. (Original post by Pearl1323)
so it should be k(x-alpha) (x-beta-1) like that ?
there are 2 ways of doing this

verification (very easy)
K(x-alpha)(x-alpha-1) = 0 (the k is not actually needed)
multiply out into a three term quadratic in x
plug the coefficients into the expression given and done

properly (a bit of algebra)
alpha + (alpha + 1) = -b/a
alpha(alpha + 1 ) = c/a
eliminate alpha between the 2 equations
13. (Original post by TeeEm)
there are 2 ways of doing this

verification (very easy)
K(x-alpha)(x-alpha-1) = 0 (the k is not actually needed)
multiply out into a three term quadratic in x
plug the coefficients into the expression given and done

properly (a bit of algebra)
alpha + (alpha + 1) = -b/a
alpha(alpha + 1 ) = c/a
eliminate alpha between the 2 equations
I've now posted this 3 times, but in this case, I think it's pretty clear the shortest answer is to just use the quadratic formula.
14. (Original post by DFranklin)
I've now posted this 3 times, but in this case, I think it's pretty clear the shortest answer is to just use the quadratic formula.
it is indeed, but conceptually for a student the hardest approach.
Once conceived indeed the workings are 2 lines..
15. (Original post by TeeEm)
it is indeed, but conceptually for a student the hardest approach.
Once conceived indeed the workings are 2 lines..
I dunno, I think it's the obvious approach (it's what I'd expect 90% of non-FM A-level students to do). It only becomes unobvious when you're in the middle of a topic where the answer to everything is to express x^2+bx+c in terms of alpha and beta.
16. (Original post by DFranklin)
I dunno, I think it's the obvious approach (it's what I'd expect 90% of non-FM A-level students to do). It only becomes unobvious when you're in the middle of a topic where the answer to everything is to express x^2+bx+c in terms of alpha and beta.
agreed.

(most students which have knowledge of relationships between roots and coefficients as soon as "... roots differ by 1 ...", autopilot takes over )
17. thanks for the help ><
18. so that solution is :
(2alpha+1)^2-(alpha^2+alpha)-4(alpha^2+alpha) ?

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