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    This RT video claiming Hilary Clinton is part of the Illuminati (or some crap like that, I don't really care enough to pay attention) actually asserted that speaking Hebrew is sinister and evidence that someone is part of the Illuminati.

    That will come as news to the millions of Hebrew speakers in Israel that they too are all members of the supposedly tiny, elite group said (by morons) to be running the world.

    It's genuinely sad how many useful idiots on the European left are willing to carry water for the homophobic fascist douchebag Putin. And it's genuinely sad in that the left used to be quite scornful of conspiracy theories, preferring the far more sensible and intellectual idea of historical materialism and the dialectic. Understanding history through ideas, movements and trends rather than the obsession with pseudo-occult crap and conferring an almost mystical evil significance on particular individuals like Blair.

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    Also... that woman is so stupid. She uses technical jargon to make it sound like they are using some kind of computer-based mind-control ("Oooh, making you vote with ones and zeros.. wooh wooooh") rather than the fact that analytical algorithms simply allow campaigns to better understand public opinion, voting patterns and the like.

    But I suppose for RT's audience, everything is a conspiracy in their minds. Everything will always be seen through the conspiracy lens; for these people, their pronouncements and theories really are a matter of garbage in, garbage out. They dutifully swallow what RT and websites like Infowars tell them to think, it swirls around in their tiny brain and is regurgitated in the form of painfully imbecilic conspiracy theories, paranoid accusations and a general sense of anxiety and fear that everything and everyone (except dear Uncle Vlad) is out to get them.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Understanding history through ideas, movements and trends rather than the obsession with pseudo-occult crap and conferring an almost mystical evil significance on particular individuals like Blair.
    The Guardianista's view of the world is now even more black and white than the average right-wing conservative's. They love to placate others about how people are complex, and that everyone has good in them. Oh yes they'll surely believe that members of criminal gangs (as long as they're from impoverished areas), pederasts, and Islamic extremists have good in them. Yes, the Guardianista will love to tell you that no one is pure evil....

    EXCEPT:

    Israelis
    Bankers
    Rupert Murdoch
    Disney
    CEOs of multinational companies
    Zionists
    Fox News
    Men's Rights Activists
    Fundamentalist Christians
    The Daily Telegraph
    Pro-lifers
    Tea Party supporters
    Sky News
    The Tories
    The Republican Party
    The Sun
    UKIP
    Pornographers
    Islamophobes
    The Daily Mail
    Libertarians
    Conservatives
    Capitalists
    Global warming deniers
    Homophobes
    White supremacists (unless from an impoverished background)
    Mothers who choose to stay at home
    UKIP
    Non-organic farmers
    Grammar school students and teachers
    Private school students and teachers
    SUV drivers
    Oil companies
    Gun owners
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
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    Well said. I'm a Fabian socialist myself (though a friend of mine calls me a Burkean socialist given my soft spot for the Anglo-American alliance, Trident, public schools and the House of Lords), but I find the mindlessness of many on my own side of politics deeply offputting.

    In many ways I identify myself with the New Atheists (Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, even Douglas Murray and perhaps Maajid Nawaz as an honorary member) and I think they show a reasonable way forward in terms of marrying up centre-left and centre views with a sensible approach to foreign policy and a consistent opposition to all forms of fascism, including and especially Islamofascism.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
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    I also find something incredibly puerile about the way that many on the left these days are incapable of viewing something through the lens of ordinary political debate. There's no room for saying, "Well, he believes X and I believe Y. He sincerely believes his policy is the best way to achieve a better quality of life for all, and I equally believe that for my views. Let's have a debate based on logic and reason".

    Instead, all policy differences must be seen through the lens of the other side being deeply immoral, malevolent, that they genuinely hate the poor and so on. They even apply this childish Manichaean mindset to people on their own side (i.e. if you don't support Corbyn, you must be a Tory ergo pure evil).

    Finally, I find it laughable that the far left are adorning themselves with idiotic slogans like "Never kissed a Tory". Whenever I see that, I can only think to myself what a pitifully narrow existence they must have.

    One of life's great pleasures is hunting with the hounds and running with the hares. Keeping two sets of books, as it were. In any case, in my experience Tories are better kissers (with apologies to my socialist comrades).

    Some of my closest friends (perhaps even a majority) are on the centre-right. All my ex-boyfriends with whom I had long-term relationships were Tories (at least of the wet, patrician variety). I take a lot of pleasure from having a wide circle of friends and knowing people of all classes, genders, sexualities, lifestyles, professions. The idea of deliberately restricting myself in friendship to a small subset of the population is as anathema as it would be to restrict myself to only reading books written by socialists.
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    You have an absolute obsession with accusing pretty much everything of being anti-Semitic, when you are fairly islalphobic yourself.

    It's like the only thing that gives you an identity is feeling that everyone hates you, it's such a victim complex.
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    Anyone who uses the word "comrade" is a dangerous trotskyite.

    I've got my eye on you.

    Also this is the first time I have seen someone who dislike "the left" so much say we should stick to our Marxism :indiff:

    "One of life's great pleasures is hunting with the hounds and running with the hares."

    That's all well and good providing you aren't the hare being torn up... It isn't a game for disabled people that find themselves with nothing. It;s very easy to take that view when you are actually fine yourself and will continue being fine no matter what happens, i.e. you are privileged to some degree. Why don't you try running with the anti-semite for a bit?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You have an absolute obsession with accusing pretty much everything of being anti-Semitic, when you are fairly islalphobic yourself.

    It's like the only thing that gives you an identity is feeling that everyone hates you, it's such a victim complex.
    Islamophobia is not comparable to antisemitism. Jews are a race, and antisemitism is prejudice against them as a race. Antisemitism doesn't just mean disliking Judaism, it's thinking that Jews as a race are inferior or parasitic, as the Nazis did. On the other hand, Islamophobia is no different to criticizing Christians. Muslims are not a race, they're only a religious group. Also, if you are being Islamophobic, you aren't discriminating against them because of their race, but because of their religious beliefs. We judge and dismiss people due to their opinions all the time, so I don't see why it's suddenly so incredibly wrong to do it when it's Muslims.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    I also find something incredibly puerile about the way that many on the left these days are incapable of viewing something through the lens of ordinary political debate. There's no room for saying, "Well, he believes X and I believe Y. He sincerely believes his policy is the best way to achieve a better quality of life for all, and I equally believe that for my views. Let's have a debate based on logic and reason".

    Instead, all policy differences must be seen through the lens of the other side being deeply immoral, malevolent, that they genuinely hate the poor and so on. They even apply this childish Manichaean mindset to people on their own side (i.e. if you don't support Corbyn, you must be a Tory ergo pure evil).

    Finally, I find it laughable that the far left are adorning themselves with idiotic slogans like "Never kissed a Tory". Whenever I see that, I can only think to myself what a pitifully narrow existence they must have.

    One of life's great pleasures is hunting with the hounds and running with the hares. Keeping two sets of books, as it were. In any case, in my experience Tories are better kissers (with apologies to my socialist comrades).

    Some of my closest friends (perhaps even a majority) are on the centre-right. All my ex-boyfriends with whom I had long-term relationships were Tories (at least of the wet, patrician variety). I take a lot of pleasure from having a wide circle of friends and knowing people of all classes, genders, sexualities, lifestyles, professions. The idea of deliberately restricting myself in friendship to a small subset of the population is as anathema as it would be to restrict myself to only reading books written by socialists.
    I completely agree with everything you have written. You're on point with everything, especially regarding how many on the left seem to find it impossible to fathom that people can have differing ideas about what strategies and policies would make quality of life better for all. They do genuinely seem to think that anyone who isn't on their side must want the world to burn. They seem to have completely lost touch of the fact that everything in politics is highly subjective and that it is almost impossible to say anything is either "right" or "wrong". They live in a very black and white world.

    Most of my friends are leftists, some particularly strong socialists, but I also have good libertarian and Tory voting friends. The only people I struggle with are puritanical types, who exist both on the left and the right, although it actually seems like there are more on the left now. In the end, politics is inherently belligerent, so I prefer not to bring it up around friends, except those who I know I either agree with or who can talk about it without being too rigid. Even though I personally don't feel inclined towards socialism, I completely respect the ideology, and I think in theory it could be wonderful. What I'm really sick of is people who call themselves "left wing" and "liberal" interchangeably, and think that all those two words mean is agreeing with anything and everything in The Guardian. There are genuinely people who seem to think like this.

    It's hard to pin my politics down but socially I'm somewhere between a liberal and a libertarian, and fiscally I'm a centrist.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You have an absolute obsession with accusing pretty much everything of being anti-Semitic
    Wow. We had a reasonably good discussion the other day. You are just randomly lashing out at people. Not entirely sure why, but please grow up.

    If asserting that there's something sinister about speaking Hebrew is not anti-semitic then I give up.

    It's like the only thing that gives you an identity is feeling that everyone hates you, it's such a victim complex.
    Err.. I'm not Jewish.

    What is your major malfunction?
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    The clip from RT is obviously meant to be funny, but it isn't particularly.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You have an absolute obsession with accusing pretty much everything of being anti-Semitic, when you are fairly islalphobic yourself.

    It's like the only thing that gives you an identity is feeling that everyone hates you, it's such a victim complex.
    Having another meltdown I see :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The clip from RT is obviously meant to be funny, but it isn't particularly.
    Indeed.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6697286.html
    A spokesperson for RT told The Independent: “It was a satirical video, and clearly made in jest – but apparently not clearly enough. We took it down because some people misinterpreted it and we wanted to avoid further confusion."
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    Wow. We had a reasonably good discussion the other day. You are just randomly lashing out at people. Not entirely sure why, but please grow up.

    If asserting that there's something sinister about speaking Hebrew is not anti-semitic then I give up.
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    Err.. I'm not Jewish.

    What is your major malfunction?
    For someone who isn't Jewish you seem to have a strange and unhealthy obsession with us. Most of you're posts are about anti-semitism in some way and you're very quick to accuse those who dislike Zionism/Israel as being anti Semitic.

    We're really not that great.
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    I completely agree with everything you have written. You're on point with everything, especially regarding how many on the left seem to find it impossible to fathom that people can have differing ideas about what strategies and policies would make quality of life better for all. They do genuinely seem to think that anyone who isn't on their side must want the world to burn. They seem to have completely lost touch of the fact that everything in politics is highly subjective and that it is almost impossible to say anything is either "right" or "wrong". They live in a very black and white world.

    Most of my friends are leftists, some particularly strong socialists, but I also have good libertarian and Tory voting friends. The only people I struggle with are puritanical types, who exist both on the left and the right, although it actually seems like there are more on the left now. In the end, politics is inherently belligerent, so I prefer not to bring it up around friends, except those who I know I either agree with or who can talk about it without being too rigid. Even though I personally don't feel inclined towards socialism, I completely respect the ideology, and I think in theory it could be wonderful. What I'm really sick of is people who call themselves "left wing" and "liberal" interchangeably, and think that all those two words mean is agreeing with anything and everything in The Guardian. There are genuinely people who seem to think like this.

    It's hard to pin my politics down but socially I'm somewhere between a liberal and a libertarian, and fiscally I'm a centrist.
    Which means absolutely nothing!
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Which means absolutely nothing!
    Actually, it does. The real meaning of the left and right, at least certainly fiscally, is that free-market libertarianism is on the right, and socialism then communism is on the left. I believe in keeping a steady balance between the two sides. A steady balance between private property and public property, public sector and private sector. I also believe that some controls should be kept on the market, just to make sure certain business don't end up with monopolies; in essence, to keep it fertile and not stagnant.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    For someone who isn't Jewish you seem to have a strange and unhealthy obsession with us.
    As a progressive and an opponent of fascism, I have a strong interest in supporting any measures that ensure the safety of the Jews. As someone who is descended from Jews but not himself Jewish (and having travelled to Israel several times, gone to shul a few times on a Friday night and had whisky with the rabbi.. though not seeking to convert in any way) yes I do feel a connection to Jewish people and I have every right to do so.

    I'm not trying to be Jewish and I'm not a sycophant to Jews. But I'm not going to be deterred from supporting the State of Israel and opposing anti-semitism where I see it just because a Jew tells me not to. I wouldn't let Gilad Atzmon, for example, tell me what is okay viz my views on Jewish people and the State of Israel just because he is Jewish. Nor do you get a veto on my views.

    My connection, such as it is, to Judaism, to my own heritage in part, to my friends in Israel, doesn't go through you; you aren't the gatekeeper on that score.

    Most of you're posts are about anti-semitism in some way and you're very quick to accuse those who dislike Zionism/Israel as being anti Semitic.
    Most of my posts? Not more than a fifth have anything to do with Israel or Judaism.

    You on the other hand are so desperate to suck up to Islamofascists and tell them "I'm a good Jew, not one of those 'bad' Zionist Jews" that you go far beyond what is reasonable is criticising Israel. I've seen this before, when Jewish people go over the top in criticising other Jews and Israel to fit in with the far left and Islamofascists. There is something faintly disgraceful about it.

    In any case, I'm not sure why you're flipping out. We had a reasonably conversation the other day, and now you've viciously turned on me. You are, as has been pointed out above, having a meltdown.
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    Having another meltdown I see :rolleyes:
    I'm not sure what his problem is? He accuses me of being obsessed with anti-semitism (even though it hardly predominates in the subjects I discuss). And yet I have barely seen any comment he makes where he does not pull out the "I'm Jewish therefore I get to be the arbiter of acceptability on views of Israel".Gilad Atzmon is also Jewish, and he's an outright Holocaust denier and a very clear self-hater. His Judaism is hardly a conclusive argument against his opponent
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The clip from RT is obviously meant to be funny, but it isn't particularly.
    RT was hit by Poe's Law because it didn't differ that much from their usual output
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    As a progressive and an opponent of fascism, I have a strong interest in supporting any measures that ensure the safety of the Jews. As someone who is descended from Jews but not himself Jewish (and having travelled to Israel several times, gone to shul a few times on a Friday night and had whisky with the rabbi.. though not seeking to convert in any way) yes I do feel a connection to Jewish people and I have every right to do so.



    Most of my posts? Not more than a fifth have anything to do with Israel or Judaism.

    You on the other hand are so desperate to suck up to Islamofascists and tell them "I'm a good Jew, not one of those 'bad' Zionist Jews" that you go far beyond what is reasonable is criticising Israel.

    In any case, I'm not sure why you're flipping out. We had a reasonably conversation the other day, and now you've viciously turned on me. I do wonder whether you suffer from some form of self-hatred.
    Islamofasicsts? Oh do me a favour.
    I'm incredibly outspoken on the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia, I am incredibly critical fo Hezbollah and Hamas but you seem to think it's a football match where you have to choose a side.

    I absolutely despair both the Israelis and Hamas for the conflict.

    I've not 'turned on you' but you have an unhealthy obsession with Jews. You strike me as a wannabe Jew. Being raised and brought up as Jewish, I can tell you that within the Jewish community there is a HUGE victim mentality. So many think everyone hates us and massively goes out looking for isolated incidents of antisemitism and blowing them out of all proportion. Many says things such as 'anti zionism is just masked antisemitism' in fact that's the number one line of defence.

    Now you seem to be quite Islamaphobic to be perfectly honest and for some reason share in that victim mentality that so many have. Quite frankly we can stand on our own two feet, we can take care of ourselves.

    Cheers.
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    RT was hit by Poe's Law because it didn't differ that much from their usual output
    Ha, very true. A lot of their supposed news output comes across like tinfoil-hat ready conspiradroid tosh, so it's hard to tell the difference.
 
 
 
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