As Pistorius' case goes to appeal in the South African Supreme Court, lawyers are discussing whether his sentence should be changed from culpable homicide (manslaughter) to murder. Common law murder, being different from premeditated murder, consists of 'intent' to kill, rather than pre-planned killing.
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Do you think his sentence should be changed? Will his celebrity status change anything?
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- 03-11-2015 09:49
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- 03-11-2015 10:55
I guess the courts have to decide it he intended to kill her or not beyond reasonable doubt. I haven't been following this case in great detail, but given the lack of hard evidence I don't think we will ever truly know.
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- 03-11-2015 11:00
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Do you think his sentence should be changed? Will his celebrity status change anything?
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- 03-11-2015 13:40
I don't think the sentence will change. This is South Africa we are talking about, a corrupt nation falling deeper into turmoil every day.
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- 03-11-2015 13:46
I'm not a member of the jury.
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- 03-11-2015 13:52
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- 03-11-2015 14:19
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Neither is anyone else; there isn't one. -
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- 03-11-2015 14:31
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Don't see how that changes my point. -
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- 03-11-2015 14:33
Don't know how he got out of bed to go check on 'suspicious noises' without verifying whether his girlfriend was still in bed with him or not.
IMO murdered her. -
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- 03-11-2015 16:26
(Original post by ByEeek)
I guess the courts have to decide it he intended to kill her or not beyond reasonable doubt. I haven't been following this case in great detail, but given the lack of hard evidence I don't think we will ever truly know.
I think originally the law was misinterpreted, and it should be irrelevant whether he meant to kill HER as there's hard evidence that she shot with the intent to kill whoever was behind that door
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I think it is clear he deliberately fired through the door, knowing that his bullets were likely to hit whoever was in there, while believing that someone was in there (though possibly not believing it was his girlfriend - though that is irrelevant). He knew that bullets striking a person are highly likely to inflict serious harm or death, so he was engaged in attempted murder, and did, indeed, murder.
The trial judge's decision was breathtakingly wrong, in my view. -
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- 03-11-2015 16:27
(Original post by Joinedup)
Don't know how he got out of bed to go check on 'suspicious noises' without verifying whether his girlfriend was still in bed with him or not.
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- 03-11-2015 16:28
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I don't think the sentence will change. This is South Africa we are talking about, a corrupt nation falling deeper into turmoil every day.
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- 03-11-2015 16:31
He should have his legs removed, and be forced to crawl on his belly for the rest of his life.
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- 03-11-2015 18:37
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One thing I did admire was the fact that the 5 judges were a mixture of black and white, male and female though
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- 03-11-2015 19:08
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Murder as in premeditated or murder as in with intent to kill?
You wake up after hearing a funny noise that you're worried about and the first thing you do is check where your bed mate it...
1. because 99% of the time it's going to be them making the noise - even in society with a lot of crime.
2. because if you really think you're the victim of a home invasion you want to know whether they are safe
3. because they can help you... e.g. "wake up Reeva, I heard something. you stay here and call the cops while I take the gun and investigate"
they should be about 20-30 cm away from you so it's not going to take long to work out if they're still in bed or not.
Before firing through a closed door you're going to wonder if in fact the house contains the same number of people it's supposed to. if you somehow forgot to check whether your girlfriend was in bed with you, this would be the time to verify who actually is on the toilet or take up a safe firing position so you can wait for the person to come out and then shoot them if they're not your girlfriend. -
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- 03-11-2015 19:13
(Original post by DiddyDec)
You won't be seeing many if any white judges. If they have the money and value their safety they will have fled the country by now.
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- 03-11-2015 19:30
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Both Gerrie Nel and Barrie Roux are white, and 2 of the 5 Justices were also white -
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- 03-11-2015 21:33
(Original post by DiddyDec)
I'm amazed they haven't left the country for their safety, but I'm sure they have the money for armed guards. South Africa is falling apart under the ANC and Zuma.
(Original post by Joinedup)
premeditated... cos his story makes no sense - no reasonable, or remotely functional person could have shot their girlfriend in that way.
You wake up after hearing a funny noise that you're worried about and the first thing you do is check where your bed mate it...
1. because 99% of the time it's going to be them making the noise - even in society with a lot of crime.
2. because if you really think you're the victim of a home invasion you want to know whether they are safe
3. because they can help you... e.g. "wake up Reeva, I heard something. you stay here and call the cops while I take the gun and investigate"
they should be about 20-30 cm away from you so it's not going to take long to work out if they're still in bed or not.
Before firing through a closed door you're going to wonder if in fact the house contains the same number of people it's supposed to. if you somehow forgot to check whether your girlfriend was in bed with you, this would be the time to verify who actually is on the toilet or take up a safe firing position so you can wait for the person to come out and then shoot them if they're not your girlfriend. -
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- 03-11-2015 21:42
(Original post by Gingerbread101)
From watching the feeds, a lot of the solicitors and other people in the court were also white, I think the dangers might be more in some areas than others but the media feeds off the most extreme places -
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- 03-11-2015 21:49
(Original post by DiddyDec)
I don't get my information from the media in this case. I get it from my former boss and his family who have been forced to leave the country because of the violence.
(and I made a mistake before, it was one white Justice and the clerk was white too)
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