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    He understands what is required to make the country incredible again.

    1) He's pro family unit and supports the traditional family home
    2) He sees the current parties for what they truly are and blames them for the mess
    3) He is in full support of rewarding hardworking people
    4) His utter contempt for the government is hilarious and he tells them as it is
    5) He is a man of morals and values and will instil a good work ethic in the nation, respect and decency

    All of the above is much needed to make the country a relevant superpower again.
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    But he doesn;t understand what is required to make Britain great again. He thinks Britain is doomed and will never be great again. Not exactly the hopeful message you want from the head of government.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    But he doesn;t understand what is required to make Britain great again. He thinks Britain is doomed and will never be great again. Not exactly the hopeful message you want from the head of government.
    I agree. As much as I disagree with him on a lot of things, it must be said he is a bit too pessimistic to run a country
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    I can only wish.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    No.
    It would be awesome .. Leftists and SJW BTFO
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    (Original post by demx9)
    It would be awesome .. Leftists and SJW BTFO
    You say that, as a leftist myself I will try to be objective here. Despite the fact that his beliefs might be to your liking, one must admit that he doesn't have the capacity to run a country and not only that but he can't inspire people either, he's a man of defeat and pessimism, not that there's anything wrong with it, he owns it quite well, but it's not something that you want from a PM.
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    He'd have my vote.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    You say that, as a leftist myself I will try to be objective here. Despite the fact that his beliefs might be to your liking, one must admit that he doesn't have the capacity to run a country and not only that but he can't inspire people either, he's a man of defeat and pessimism, not that there's anything wrong with it, he owns it quite well, but it's not something that you want from a PM.
    He is defeatist for a simple reason: the leadership we have had for the last 20 years was completely inadequate in both domestic and foreign policy.. Just look at Blair with Iraq and Cameron with Libya.. they have literally no idea what they are doing.
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    He seeks a restoration. So I would support him. He is also an Anglican and would increase the power of the Church.
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    I disagree with pretty much every opinion he holds BUT I'll give him credit in that his opinions do at least seem to follow some sort of logical pattern in how they are formed and, really that's what politics needs more of as opposed to the 'throw lots of **** at the wall and see what sticks' approach, of well, every political party.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    He thinks Britain is doomed and will never be great again.
    That's because under the current government and previous governments Britain has been in such a decline that it is. It is now pathetically cozying up to China, a country with a horrendous record in many areas, in an attempt to economically save itself and continue this charade of having an amazing affordable way of life. The bubble is going to burst and when that happens, because parties are too scared to tackle the problems, it is going to be a lot worse for many people. That is not pessimism, that is blunt honesty and a realistic view.

    Also, he does understand what is required to make Britain great again because the biggest disgrace in the UK is the breakdown of the family unit. It has stopped families working together economically and has caused the state to become the supporter for many people, who then become reliant on tax credits and other benefits to get by, putting an increasing amount of strain on the taxpayer. Years ago more couples stayed together, supported one another and marriage was rewarded with benefits and incentives which left millions of people better off. Children also grew up with more respect as their father/mother figure was around and this allowed them to have a more balanced upbringing.

    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I agree. As much as I disagree with him on a lot of things, it must be said he is a bit too pessimistic to run a country
    See above.

    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    You say that, as a leftist myself I will try to be objective here. Despite the fact that his beliefs might be to your liking, one must admit that he doesn't have the capacity to run a country and not only that but he can't inspire people either, he's a man of defeat and pessimism, not that there's anything wrong with it, he owns it quite well, but it's not something that you want from a PM.
    Honesty and realism is what you want from a PM. It'd make a massive change from the lies, manipulation and deceit we've received from PM's and many other senior politicians over the last few decades.

    (Original post by demx9)
    He is defeatist for a simple reason: the leadership we have had for the last 20 years was completely inadequate in both domestic and foreign policy.. Just look at Blair with Iraq and Cameron with Libya.. they have literally no idea what they are doing.
    Exactly. What is worse is that most politicians are now happy to subscribe to this neoliberal nonsense and none of them, except Corbyn who will probably get ousted in the near future, have any true morals or values whatsoever. Most of the Conservatives aren't even conservatives and hold a lot of left wing opinions for crying out loud. The Conservatives now are no more conservative than Blair's Labour.
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    A pessemist is what an idealist calls a realist.
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    (Original post by Fidus Achates)
    He understands what is required to make the country incredible again.
    It was never that great in the first place.

    1) He's pro family unit and supports the traditional family home
    Further convincing me against him.

    2) He sees the current parties for what they truly are and blames them for the mess
    That doesn't take a genius.

    3) He is in full support of rewarding hardworking people
    Here meaning "extra punishment for those who, for whatever reason, fail to meet standards of 'hardworkind'".

    4) His utter contempt for the government is hilarious and he tells them as it is
    Again, doesn't take a genius to hate the government. A lot of people do.

    5) He is a man of morals and values and will instil a good work ethic in the nation, respect and decency
    I'd much rather cut down the amount of work being done, people spend too much time working as it is and it hasn't done our economy much good relative to those who work shorter hours anyway.

    All of the above is much needed to make the country a relevant superpower again.
    And for those of us who don't care or don't want to be a superpower?
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    (Original post by Fidus Achates)

    Honesty and realism is what you want from a PM. It'd make a massive change from the lies, manipulation and deceit we've received from PM's and many other senior politicians over the last few decades.
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    A pessemist is what an idealist calls a realist.
    I couldn't put it better if I tried.
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    Wells at least the trains would be nationalized. I'd trust him more with the NHS as well.
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    Prefer him on some issues to the tories. The railways, NHS and his hatred of the Murdoch Tory press for one.

    He does however refer to the tories as socialists though- frightening to think what he sees as capitalism.
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    Prefer him on some issues to the tories. The railways, NHS and his hatred of the Murdoch Tory press for one.

    He does however refer to the tories as socialists though- frightening to think what he sees as capitalism.
    That's because in many ways they are. The Tories are socialists for themselves and own elite bubble and everyone else lives in a capitalist cesspit. That isn't true capitalism. Its a two-tier system that is no different to corporate communism. Peter Hitchens is actually closer to a social-democrat when it comes to the economy. He's on really strong small-c conservative on social issues. He believes in true free-market capitalism but also respects the fact that some things, just like the railways are better in the control of the government and therefore should be renationalised. He despises all of the mainstream parties because rather than become true social democrats with conservative traditional social values, they are self serving corporate communists parading around as modern progressives on social issues in an attempt to shut up the general public through brief appeasement. All of this nonsense is the exact opposite of what he wants which only goes to illustrate why people like him, and people like myself, utterly despise the British government.
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    nah - he has the right idea in terms of the EU, gun rights, foreign policy, immigration, free speech, multiculturalism, international aid, etc - he even got things right (e.g. iraq) when his brother didn't
    but he's wrong on the war on drugs, the monarchy, and he an often just be an arbitrary social authoritarian
    if I were in charge, I'd place him in the foreign office
    it's funny because peter hitchens is an anti-establishment establishment figure; he wants the former establishment back, and this weirdly makes him anti-establishment in this sense
    not the kind of daniel hannan-esque or tony-benn-esque "anti-establishment" politician but oh well
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    (Original post by Fidus Achates)
    That's because in many ways they are. The Tories are socialists for themselves and own elite bubble and everyone else lives in a capitalist cesspit. That isn't true capitalism. Its a two-tier system that is no different to corporate communism. Peter Hitchens is actually closer to a social-democrat when it comes to the economy. He's on really strong small-c conservative on social issues. He believes in true free-market capitalism but also respects the fact that some things, just like the railways are better in the control of the government and therefore should be renationalised. He despises all of the mainstream parties because rather than become true social democrats with conservative traditional social values, they are self serving corporate communists parading around as modern progressives on social issues in an attempt to shut up the general public through brief appeasement. All of this nonsense is the exact opposite of what he wants which only goes to illustrate why people like him, and people like myself, utterly despise the British government.
    What would his view on issues like tax credits and the welfare state be?
 
 
 
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