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Hi Nucdev. Your origins are from India? Are you a first generation British citizen? Could you please help us understand why the number of rape incidents in India are so high?

They've been several reports of rapes in India and yet there seems to be no end to this horrific crime. According to The Hindu, Delhi is now the official rape capital of India. Why is this happening in India?
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...cle7554551.ece






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You were probably better off asking this on the TSR Indian Society page rather than create a new thread for it and you would probably get more replies from Indians in India. It has been covered on there to some extent: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...036493&page=60

As one poster (Yawn!) on there said:

"I think a lot of these incidents in India are down to poor socio-economic conditions, poverty, lack of education, frustration over lack of opportunities, and bad influences of media (bollywood in particular), and thus a failure to challenge a heavily skewed patriarchal system."
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You were probably better off asking this on the TSR Indian Society page rather than create a new thread for it and you would probably get more replies from Indians in India. It has been covered on there to some extent: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...036493&page=60
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As one poster (Yawn!) on there said:

"I think a lot of these incidents in India are down to poor socio-economic conditions, poverty, lack of education, frustration over lack of opportunities, and bad influences of media (bollywood in particular), and thus a failure to challenge a heavily skewed patriarchal system."
I did not want to disrupt your community page by discussing about this there. What do you say to those who say that '30,000 rape incidents against a population of 1.2 billion is not really that big of a deal'?
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I did not want to disrupt your community page by discussing about this there. What do you say to those who say that '30,000 rape incidents against a population of 1.2 billion is not really that big of a deal'?
Even 1 rape incident amongst a world population of 7 billion is a big deal.
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Even 1 rape incident amongst a world population of 7 billion is a big deal.
I just did a google and I'm shocked by what I've just been reading. These are just some of the rape incidents in India for 2015 alone.

1) A 74 year old nun was raped in India by six men?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32062692

2) A bus driver and another man took turns to rape a woman on a moving bus?
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle7662647.ece

3) American tourist gang-raped by 2 men?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...erican-tourist

4) Japanese tourist raped by a tour guide?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...our-guide.html

5) A 2-year old baby was raped by two teenagers?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...061014792.html

6) A 2-year old and 5-year old were gang-raped in separate attacks in different parts of the city?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...092246616.html

There's just too many cases. This is shocking.
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(Original post by ~Seraphina~)
I just did a google and I'm shocked by what I've just been reading. These are just some of the rape incidents in India for 2015 alone.

1) A 74 year old nun was raped in India by six men?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32062692

2) A bus driver and another man took turns to rape a woman on a moving bus?
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle7662647.ece

3) American tourist gang-raped by 2 men?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...erican-tourist

4) Japanese tourist raped by a tour guide?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...our-guide.html

5) A 2-year old baby was raped by two teenagers?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...061014792.html

6) A 2-year old and 5-year old were gang-raped in separate attacks in different parts of the city?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...092246616.html

There's just too many cases. This is shocking.
What did you expect from a developing nation which has deeply entrenched social attitudes and widespread poverty?
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India has a very high population and so certain minorities in that population would be higher. The fact they're all closely together doesn't help the case.

I know this because I'm a 1/5th Indian.

Who's this nucdev guy? Is that the guy who's spamming the chat?
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(Original post by ~Seraphina~)
I just did a google and I'm shocked by what I've just been reading. These are just some of the rape incidents in India for 2015 alone.

1) A 74 year old nun was raped in India by six men?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-32062692

2) A bus driver and another man took turns to rape a woman on a moving bus?
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle7662647.ece

3) American tourist gang-raped by 2 men?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...erican-tourist

4) Japanese tourist raped by a tour guide?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...our-guide.html

5) A 2-year old baby was raped by two teenagers?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...061014792.html

6) A 2-year old and 5-year old were gang-raped in separate attacks in different parts of the city?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...092246616.html

There's just too many cases. This is shocking.
Off-topic I guess, but does two perpetrators constitute a gang?
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Bollywood is a very bad influence.
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What did you expect from a developing nation which has deeply entrenched social attitudes and widespread poverty?
hi bupdeeboowah. how r u? how have u been? i haven't seen u in a while. i've been okay. just really saddened when i read all this reports of rape. what kind of entrenched social attitudes do these Indian men in India have? Is there really widespread poverty?

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India has a very high population and so certain minorities in that population would be higher. The fact they're all closely together doesn't help the case. I know this because I'm a 1/5th Indian. Who's this nucdev guy? Is that the guy who's spamming the chat?
Nucdev is a funny guy who doesn't like being serious. He said on the forum that he was an Indian so I figured I ask him why there are so many rape cases in India. He's given his opinion and I respect what he's had to say.
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hi bupdeeboowah. how r u? how have u been? i haven't seen u in a while. i've been okay. just really saddened when i read all this reports of rape. what kind of entrenched social attitudes do these Indian men in India have? Is there really widespread poverty?
The caste system in India is still fairly prevalent throughout the country, and has been so entrenched in Indian culture that even such attitudes have a linger in the mindsets of British Indians, particularly those of the older generation.

As the caste system delineates the role and status of a person, it is not surprising that attitudes of superiority/inferiority and dehumanisation would therefore be common, especially amongst the poor and uneducated.
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Bollywood is a very bad influence.
sorry what is bollywood?

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The caste system in India is still fairly prevalent throughout the country, and has been so entrenched in Indian culture that even such attitudes have a linger in the mindsets of British Indians, particularly those of the older generation. As the caste system delineates the role and status of a person, it is not surprising that attitudes of superiority/inferiority and dehumanisation would therefore be common, especially amongst the poor and uneducated.
All that looks so seamless. But why do men in India have a tendency to commit rape?
have you watched this BBC documentary? I found it very interesting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0345d6w
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Your question seems to be targeted towards Indians or people with Indian heritage.

I shall give you my opinion on this.

First and foremost you need to distinguish between sexism and misogyny. Supporting institutional discrimination is very different to hating women. I can like women but still support a system that openly discriminates them.

Secondly, your claim that rape is embedded in Indian culture is false. An historical and contemporary understanding of Indian society shows that there is no such thing as 'one culture'. Regional, religious and historical factors mean that a unified view of the nation's view on women is impossible. For example, a predominantly Muslim village will not view women in the same way as, say, most 'Delhiites' will. India is a very divided nation, based on caste, religion, wealth and even race. Too often the western media oversimplifies its understanding of Indian identity without fully understanding its rich history and diversity.
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sorry what is bollywood?



All that looks so seamless. But why do men in India have a tendency to commit rape?
have you watched this BBC documentary? I found it very interesting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0345d6w
bollywood film industry in india.

In my opinion the root cause of these rapes are :

1. Following a hybrid culture (western culture + Indian culture). They tried to copy western culture in their life, but as per my thinking they are not at that level yet because west in at least 100 years forward than us. Before adopt such culture changes both culture must be at same level.

2. There are no increase in rape rate here, I think due to the development of media the news spread more fast and frequently.

3. Most of the rapist are uneducated or comparable less educated to common man and belong to rural area.

4. Most important is spreading of INTERNET to rural areas .It is available on mobiles and mobile are very cheap here. What you expect a young kid of 14-16 year watch porn on redtube or somewhere else and see a girl in some lonely place.

I have some suggestion to get this rate down, but there is no one to listen. Any way there are some more reasons.
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All that looks so seamless. But why do men in India have a tendency to commit rape?
This is similar to me saying 'why do English women have a tendency to drink more than, say, Arab women?' Such generalisations are futile and aren't constructive to the underlying problem of rape.

(Original post by ~Seraphina~)
have you watched this BBC documentary? I found it very interesting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0345d6w
Rather than trusting the mass media about the gender issues in India, I recommend reading research by specialists on India, e.g. Dr. Clarinda Still at Oxford.
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I did not want to disrupt your community page by discussing about this there. What do you say to those who say that '30,000 rape incidents against a population of 1.2 billion is not really that big of a deal'?
It's reported rapes, not the actual number of rapes, which is probably in the millions.
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bollywood film industry in india.

In my opinion the root cause of these rapes are :

1. Following a hybrid culture (western culture + Indian culture). They tried to copy western culture in their life, but as per my thinking they are not at that level yet because west in at least 100 years forward than us. Before adopt such culture changes both culture must be at same level.

2. There are no increase in rape rate here, I think due to the development of media the news spread more fast and frequently.

3. Most of the rapist are uneducated or comparable less educated to common man and belong to rural area.

4. Most important is spreading of INTERNET to rural areas .It is available on mobiles and mobile are very cheap here. What you expect a young kid of 14-16 year watch porn on redtube or somewhere else and see a girl in some lonely place.

I have some suggestion to get this rate down, but there is no one to listen. Any way there are some more reasons.
Because rapes didn't happen before Bolywood and streamporn?
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Still, lower than Sweden
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Normally I would give an in depth, well thought out response to the question. However it's clear that the OP is more interested in spreading bile and trying to defame an entire nation of 1.2 billion human beings, rather than initiate serious discourse.

Why? Only she can answer, but given her pathetic posts on this thread, it's clear she has some kind of axe to grind against India/Indians. Either that or she's incredibly stupid and/or naive. Ultimately it doesn't matter, as a thread on TSR is hardly going to influence the world's opinion of India (which is emerging whether some people like it or not).

But here's some pictures of my own in response to hers, regarding 'rape culture in India' (because apparently rape doesn't occur in the UK or West :rolleyes:).



















Notice all the Indian men making an effort to confront rape in their nation.

I don't recall seeing mass protests to confront these disgusting acts by white men in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34219235

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...blishment.html

And maybe you should read this and get more clued up before you embarrass yourself again.

http://ucsdguardian.org/2015/11/04/h...her-countries/
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Because rapes didn't happen before Bolywood and streamporn?
who say this?
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