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Poll: Would you buy a sainthood?
No, I will not considering buying a sainthood even though it's cheaper than buying a cabinet position.
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27.27%
Yes, I will buy a sainthood for myself. Too bad it's not hereditary.
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54.55%
Yes, I will buy a sainthood for someone else.
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9.09%
I will consider it. Need to choose between buying a knighthood and this.
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9.09%
Two new books are deepening a Vatican scandal with tales of mismanagement and greed, such as sainthood causes that can cost up to a half-million dollars and a monsignor who allegedly breaking down the wall of his next-door neighbor — a sick, elderly priest — to expand his already palatial apartment.Pope Francis has made it a top priority to reform the Vatican bureaucracy known as the Curia, a hive of intrigue and gossip.He appointed a commission of eight experts in 2013 to gather information and make recommendations after an earlier expose helped drive his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, to a historic resignation.
The leaks in the new books are seen as part of a bitter internal struggle between the reformers and the old guard. This week, the Vatican arrested two former members of the commission in an investigation into stolen documents.A new book by journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi makes some startling allegations, including a report that Vatican “postulators” — officials who promote sainthood causes — bring in hundreds of thousands of euros in donations for their causes but are subject to no over-sight as to how the money is spent.In his book “Merchants in the Temple,” obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press two days ahead of publication, Nuzzi estimates the average price tag for a beatification cause at around 500,000 euros ($550,000) — and some have gone as high as 750,000 euros ($822,000).
Causes of saintly candidates who don’t inspire rich donors can languish.He also recounts a tale involving Monsignor Giuseppe Sciacca, a top official in the Vatican City State administration, who in 2012 apparently wanted a fancier apartment. When Sciacca’s neighbor was hospitalized for a long period, Nuzzi writes, the cardinal took advantage, broke down a wall separating their residences and incorporated an extra room into his apartment, furniture and all.The elderly priest eventually came home to find his possessions in boxes. He died a short time later, the book says.Francis, who lives in a hotel room, summarily demoted Sciacca and forced him to move out.A second book by Emiliano Fittipaldi, a reporter for the L’Espresso newsmagazine also obtained by the AP on Tuesday, details financial wrongdoing at the Vatican, citing reports by independent auditors.“Avarice,” also due out Thursday, claims a foundation set up to support a children’s hospital paid 200,000 euros toward the renovation of the apartment of the Vatican’s No. 2 at the time, Tarciso Bertone. Bertone came under fire last year over the apartment, described in the book as a “mega-penthouse,” which sat ill with Francis’ vision of a “poor church.
”Bertone has said he paid for the renovations himself.Fittipaldi also said nearly 400,000 euros donated in 2013 by churches worldwide to help the poor wound up in an off-the-books Vatican account.The Vatican described the books as “fruit of a grave betrayal of the trust given by the pope, and, as far as the authors go, of an operation to take advantage of a gravely illicit act of handing over confidential documentation.”The books, and this week’s arrests, mark a new phase in the “Vatileaks” scandal. The saga began in 2012 with an earlier Nuzzi expose, peaked with the conviction of Benedict’s butler on charges he supplied Nuzzi with stolen documents, and ended a year later when a clearly exhausted Benedict resigned.Nuzzi’s new book is written from the perspective of the reform commission, whose archives were supposed to remain top secret. It focuses on the resistance the commission encountered in getting information out of Vatican departments that have long enjoyed near-complete autonomy in budgeting, hiring and spending.
http://thenews.mx/2015/11/books-deepen-vatican-scandal/
The leaks in the new books are seen as part of a bitter internal struggle between the reformers and the old guard. This week, the Vatican arrested two former members of the commission in an investigation into stolen documents.A new book by journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi makes some startling allegations, including a report that Vatican “postulators” — officials who promote sainthood causes — bring in hundreds of thousands of euros in donations for their causes but are subject to no over-sight as to how the money is spent.In his book “Merchants in the Temple,” obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press two days ahead of publication, Nuzzi estimates the average price tag for a beatification cause at around 500,000 euros ($550,000) — and some have gone as high as 750,000 euros ($822,000).
Causes of saintly candidates who don’t inspire rich donors can languish.He also recounts a tale involving Monsignor Giuseppe Sciacca, a top official in the Vatican City State administration, who in 2012 apparently wanted a fancier apartment. When Sciacca’s neighbor was hospitalized for a long period, Nuzzi writes, the cardinal took advantage, broke down a wall separating their residences and incorporated an extra room into his apartment, furniture and all.The elderly priest eventually came home to find his possessions in boxes. He died a short time later, the book says.Francis, who lives in a hotel room, summarily demoted Sciacca and forced him to move out.A second book by Emiliano Fittipaldi, a reporter for the L’Espresso newsmagazine also obtained by the AP on Tuesday, details financial wrongdoing at the Vatican, citing reports by independent auditors.“Avarice,” also due out Thursday, claims a foundation set up to support a children’s hospital paid 200,000 euros toward the renovation of the apartment of the Vatican’s No. 2 at the time, Tarciso Bertone. Bertone came under fire last year over the apartment, described in the book as a “mega-penthouse,” which sat ill with Francis’ vision of a “poor church.
”Bertone has said he paid for the renovations himself.Fittipaldi also said nearly 400,000 euros donated in 2013 by churches worldwide to help the poor wound up in an off-the-books Vatican account.The Vatican described the books as “fruit of a grave betrayal of the trust given by the pope, and, as far as the authors go, of an operation to take advantage of a gravely illicit act of handing over confidential documentation.”The books, and this week’s arrests, mark a new phase in the “Vatileaks” scandal. The saga began in 2012 with an earlier Nuzzi expose, peaked with the conviction of Benedict’s butler on charges he supplied Nuzzi with stolen documents, and ended a year later when a clearly exhausted Benedict resigned.Nuzzi’s new book is written from the perspective of the reform commission, whose archives were supposed to remain top secret. It focuses on the resistance the commission encountered in getting information out of Vatican departments that have long enjoyed near-complete autonomy in budgeting, hiring and spending.
http://thenews.mx/2015/11/books-deepen-vatican-scandal/
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(Original post by hellodave5)
Lend me some cash m8?
Lend me some cash m8?
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this great example of gods most magnificent institution. methinks the devil has been living there for century's lmao.
(or else its actually hell and these people are all demons(which they are?)
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(or else its actually hell and these people are all demons(which they are?)
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If I were to buy a sainthood, it would be an investment - would I be able to make a comfortable return on my investment? Would that status enable me to run further business ventures that would be closely assured by the status of "saint", and able to profit from it?
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(Original post by JeremyOU)
this great example of gods most magnificent institution. methinks the devil has been living there for century's lmao.
(or else its actually hell and these people are all demons(which they are?))
this great example of gods most magnificent institution. methinks the devil has been living there for century's lmao.
(or else its actually hell and these people are all demons(which they are?)
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(Original post by XMaramena)
If I were to buy a sainthood, it would be an investment - would I be able to make a comfortable return on my investment? Would that status enable me to run further business ventures that would be closely assured by the status of "saint", and able to profit from it?
If I were to buy a sainthood, it would be an investment - would I be able to make a comfortable return on my investment? Would that status enable me to run further business ventures that would be closely assured by the status of "saint", and able to profit from it?
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(Original post by Little Toy Gun)
The Roman Catholic Church just wishes to take away all the evil (money) in the world so we will all live happily ever after.
The Roman Catholic Church just wishes to take away all the evil (money) in the world so we will all live happily ever after.
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The only benefit I can see to a sainthood is increased access to pre-pubescent boys 
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Dying for our sins, part 2.
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#11
Catholic Church sells access to Heaven... am I supposed to be surprised, they've basically been doing that since they started.
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(Original post by mojojojo101)
Catholic Church sells access to Heaven... am I supposed to be surprised, they've basically been doing that since they started.
Catholic Church sells access to Heaven... am I supposed to be surprised, they've basically been doing that since they started.
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(Original post by MAINE.)
The only benefit I can see to a sainthood is increased access to pre-pubescent boys
The only benefit I can see to a sainthood is increased access to pre-pubescent boys
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(Original post by Little Toy Gun)
Not really. You'd most likely have been dead.
Not really. You'd most likely have been dead.
Much better to buy a knighthood, at least you can get to enjoy the title...
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(Original post by Drewski)
This is what puzzled me. Why buy something that won't be in effect until long after you're dead?
Much better to buy a knighthood, at least you can get to enjoy the title...
This is what puzzled me. Why buy something that won't be in effect until long after you're dead?
Much better to buy a knighthood, at least you can get to enjoy the title...
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(Original post by Little Toy Gun)
By committing all the sins in the world, The Roman Catholic Church is making sure that we cannot sin.
Dying for our sins, part 2.
By committing all the sins in the world, The Roman Catholic Church is making sure that we cannot sin.
Dying for our sins, part 2.
By committing all the crimes in the world, The Roman Catholic Church is making piles of money.
and will no doubt be going to hell,
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#17
(Original post by mariachi)
the Catholic Church's efforts are spectacular, but all organized religions are doing just that
the Catholic Church's efforts are spectacular, but all organized religions are doing just that
And without overly insulting them, they are racist Jew hating, gay hating, boy *******, money grabbing, manipulative ******* without any sense of morality or fair play.
(that was the really polite restrained rant)
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(Original post by JeremyOU)
here lemme rewrite that lmao...
By committing all the crimes in the world, The Roman Catholic Church is making piles of money.
and will no doubt be going to hell,
here lemme rewrite that lmao...
By committing all the crimes in the world, The Roman Catholic Church is making piles of money.
and will no doubt be going to hell,
Dying for our sins, part 3.
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(Original post by JeremyOU)
The Catholics are the worst, they actually have their own personal tax haven, just for them, with their own bank, government, etc (Vatican city).
And without overly insulting them, they are racist Jew hating, gay hating, boy *******, money grabbing, manipulative ******* without any sense of morality or fair play.
(that was the really polite restrained rant)
The Catholics are the worst, they actually have their own personal tax haven, just for them, with their own bank, government, etc (Vatican city).
And without overly insulting them, they are racist Jew hating, gay hating, boy *******, money grabbing, manipulative ******* without any sense of morality or fair play.
(that was the really polite restrained rant)
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(Original post by JeremyOU)
The Catholics are the worst, they actually have their own personal tax haven, just for them, with their own bank, government, etc (Vatican city).
And without overly insulting them, they are racist Jew hating, gay hating, boy *******, money grabbing, manipulative ******* without any sense of morality or fair play.
(that was the really polite restrained rant)
The Catholics are the worst, they actually have their own personal tax haven, just for them, with their own bank, government, etc (Vatican city).
And without overly insulting them, they are racist Jew hating, gay hating, boy *******, money grabbing, manipulative ******* without any sense of morality or fair play.
(that was the really polite restrained rant)
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