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    Hello all,

    I am a 27 year old groundwork contractor of 10 years, due to a bad back and being fed up of manual labour i am planning to retrain as (hopefully) a structural engineer.

    I have a few questions regarding the training, my local uni does a civil engineering foundation entry BEng (hons) degree. Im thinking of enrolling on this with a view to doing a masters in structural engineering in the years to come. Does this sound about right?

    Next question - the same uni does the same course as above but its a year longer and is a MEng degree, i beleive this is not a masters....but what is it, and why would one do this degree? Apperently it meets the requiremnts for chartered status of the engineering council?

    Which leads me on to my next question, what organasition is it preferable to become chartered with? istructe or the engineering council?The plan is (in my mind anyway) is to do the study and eventually gain the masters....then go for chartered and hopefully resume working for myself but as a consulting structural engineer rather than a shovel jockey!

    Im currently the managing director and sole shareholder of an establsihed construction and groundworks company and would ideally like to mantain my self employment....how easy is this to achieve? Is it possible that once i have become chartered that i can get the required insurance and go out in to the world as an engineer?

    Last questions...do i need any work experience to become chartered (i know it would be preferable but in reality?) very last one, the degree i have been looking at is a foundation entry, is this compulsory? Im thinking that beacuse i have good gcse grades from high school and ten years experience interpreting drawings on-site that maybe i would be exempt.

    Many thanks for reading.Daniel.
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Hello all,

    I am a 27 year old groundwork contractor of 10 years, due to a bad back and being fed up of manual labour i am planning to retrain as (hopefully) a structural engineer.

    I have a few questions regarding the training, my local uni does a civil engineering foundation entry BEng (hons) degree. Im thinking of enrolling on this with a view to doing a masters in structural engineering in the years to come. Does this sound about right?
    Sounds like a very good plan.

    Next question - the same uni does the same course as above but its a year longer and is a MEng degree, i beleive this is not a masters....but what is it, and why would one do this degree? Apperently it meets the requiremnts for chartered status of the engineering council?
    It's equivalent to a Masters, known as an integrated Masters because it combines the Bachelors and Masters in a single, continuous course. It's a good thing. And if accredited does meet the academic requirements for the EC.

    Usually you can move from the BEng to MEng if you get good enough marks in your Y1 or Y2 exams. Your uni can confirm their specific requirements for this.

    You would need to check if the MEng offers final year modules that satisify the Structural Engineering academic requirements. (i.e. would be equivalent to the MSc).

    Which leads me on to my next question, what organasition is it preferable to become chartered with? istructe or the engineering council?The plan is (in my mind anyway) is to do the study and eventually gain the masters....then go for chartered and hopefully resume working for myself but as a consulting structural engineer rather than a shovel jockey!
    The EC is the overarching organisation for all engineering. Each specialisation has it's own body. Afaik, if you want to be a structural engineer you would seek accreditation through that specialisations body.

    Im currently the managing director and sole shareholder of an establsihed construction and groundworks company and would ideally like to mantain my self employment....how easy is this to achieve? Is it possible that once i have become chartered that i can get the required insurance and go out in to the world as an engineer?
    No idea! But I don't see why not... except the next bit...

    Last questions...do i need any work experience to become chartered (i know it would be preferable but in reality?)
    Yes work experience is needed - typically, I think, 5+ years before Chartering. You should contact istructe and ask them if your current level of experience meets their requirement and/or what further experience is need and how do they assess it.

    very last one, the degree i have been looking at is a foundation entry, is this compulsory? Im thinking that beacuse i have good gcse grades from high school and ten years experience interpreting drawings on-site that maybe i would be exempt.

    Many thanks for reading.Daniel.
    The Foundation is a good idea - you need strong Maths and some Physics for an Engineering degree and the Foundation year should give you that. Without those subjects at A-level (or an equivalent qualification e.g. Access course) you won't get onto a standard degree.

    Has your local uni already confirmed they will admit you to the Foundation?
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    Hello, i didn't expect an answer to all those questions, thanks!

    I think i may consider the BEng course in civil after which i could select a masters in a more specific subject, ill probably have a better idea of what this is after studying civil for 4 years. ??

    Does a structural engineer need to be chartered in order to operate as self employed engineer, designing small stuff for architect for example.....and would one need to be chartered to gain professional indemnity insurance?


    TBH all i want to do is retrain and get back to working for myself as quickly as possible, (sorry to sound like I'm detracting from the importance of a good education in this field)

    I haven't been accepted nor have i even applied yet, I'm hoping that once i make a decision all that should come together nicely! (or not!) From reading online on the university website i have until Jan 15 2016 to get it in.
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Hello, i didn't expect an answer to all those questions, thanks!

    I think i may consider the BEng course in civil after which i could select a masters in a more specific subject, ill probably have a better idea of what this is after studying civil for 4 years. ??

    Does a structural engineer need to be chartered in order to operate as self employed engineer, designing small stuff for architect for example.....and would one need to be chartered to gain professional indemnity insurance?


    TBH all i want to do is retrain and get back to working for myself as quickly as possible, (sorry to sound like I'm detracting from the importance of a good education in this field)

    I haven't been accepted nor have i even applied yet, I'm hoping that once i make a decision all that should come together nicely! (or not!) From reading online on the university website i have until Jan 15 2016 to get it in.
    So first things first... check if your local uni will accept you! Just call them and see what they say.

    Then check with istructe about your professional insurance question.

    Also how are you funding your degree?

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    Ok i shall give them a call, I'm new to this and never really thought id end up going back to school.

    istructe ....message sent.

    Id have to go down the student loan route to be honest, company will be dissolved at year end next feb.

    All dependant on being accepted of course.

    Many thanks, i have had this on my mind since i was 20, if i had just done it then.....

    Daniel.
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Ok i shall give them a call, I'm new to this and never really thought id end up going back to school.

    istructe ....message sent.

    Id have to go down the student loan route to be honest, company will be dissolved at year end next feb.

    All dependant on being accepted of course.

    Many thanks, i have had this on my mind since i was 20, if i had just done it then.....

    Daniel.
    Good luck!

    You *might* have to do an Access to HE course instead of the Foundation. I honestly don't know if they will allow you on the Foundation without any A-levels.

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    The MEng fulfills the educational requirement for chartership, BEng only partially. Also you need to have worked in consulting and contracting work in the profession for it (not sure how much).
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    Good luck!

    You *might* have to do an Access to HE course instead of the Foundation. I honestly don't know if they will allow you on the Foundation without any A-levels.

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    Ah well, i can only enquire! Hopefully they will let me on!

    Does the civil engineering MEng allow me to work as a structural engineer, would i not need a more specific qualification?
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Ah well, i can only enquire! Hopefully they will let me on!

    Does the civil engineering MEng allow me to work as a structural engineer, would i not need a more specific qualification?
    Another one to ask istructe - it may depend on the modules in the CivEng degree.

    But according to this, yes - civil engineering is specifically listed first in the list of appropriate degrees.
    https://www.istructe.org/education/going-to-university
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Another one to ask istructe - it may depend on the modules in the CivEng degree.

    But according to this, yes - civil engineering is specifically listed first in the list of appropriate degrees.
    https://www.istructe.org/education/going-to-university

    Yes! I've been looking for that on their site....thanks.

    Ill report back with how i get on.

    My uncle is a structural engineer and also practices construction law, i could ask him but it was a long time since his studies.....he did it years ago took him 13 years i think to complete, evening study iirc!

    Daniel
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    I have just been reading the final (2) year modules in more detail, and on the list is structural engineering 1 in the fourth year and structural engineering 2 in the final year, this looks like what I'm after?

    There is an open day next sat so I'm going to go over there.

    Regards Daniel
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    I have just been reading the final (2) year modules in more detail, and on the list is structural engineering 1 in the fourth year and structural engineering 2 in the final year, this looks like what I'm after?

    There is an open day next sat so I'm going to go over there.

    Regards Daniel
    Sounds good! What are the entry requirements?

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    Well....there is a mention of A level and gcse, the first of which i do not have, but I'm wondering what is the point of the foundation entry if you need A levels to get on it?

    Im hoping they will "means test" me or something and hopefully let me on!!

    These are questions i intend to raise next sat, and over email in the interim.

    No reply from istructe yet.

    Daniel
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    Another question, if i was to get on MEng, which is 5 years plus the optional industrial placement, would i be entitled to fund for the whole duration?
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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Well....there is a mention of A level and gcse, the first of which i do not have, but I'm wondering what is the point of the foundation entry if you need A levels to get on it?

    Im hoping they will "means test" me or something and hopefully let me on!!

    These are questions i intend to raise next sat, and over email in the interim.

    No reply from istructe yet.

    Daniel
    A Foundation is really for people with the "wrong" A-levels for their intended course. Not no A-levels.

    As I mentioned earlier I think you will need to do an Access to HE course instead. And you might need to do A-level Maths too.

    Engineering is *very* maths heavy



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    Ah fair enough, i was only holding out hope due to the fact that friend of mine got accepted onto a foundation level law degree with no education other than high school, he graduated this year.

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    (Original post by Denzel89)
    Ah fair enough, i was only holding out hope due to the fact that friend of mine got accepted onto a foundation level law degree with no education other than high school, he graduated this year.

    Daniel
    Well law isn't engineering But your absolutely best bet is to check directly with your uni.
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    Right I've been doing some digging.....its looking like I'm going to need to do an access course - one including maths. I rang the uni today and the gentleman on the phone said considering you are a mature student to send the application in and see what happens as they are assessed on an individual basis.

    I then got a reply back from the same university from an email i sent a few days ago, and the lady said it would be unlikely that i would be accepted for this course in particular as i need A level maths, and my best bet would be an access course at a local college.

    I have spoke to a structural engineer off the istruct website and all the questions i had for them have been answered.

    Ive had a look at my local college and they have an access course in engineering science running next year but it covers all sorts of subjects, ones which if I'm honest, I am not interested in and bare no relevance in what I'm trying to achieve.

    So my question is are the such things as fast track A level maths study courses?

    Apparently i need 30 level 3 credits at distinction.

    Daniel
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    Also, if i do study the access course next year starting Jan, i will have no hope in starting uni next sept will i not?
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    So one thing to keep on mind, the Access course should get you straight onto the main degree, without doing the Foundation.

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