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    This is according to Downing Street;
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34770875

    I would say discuss, or weigh in with my view, but the writing is on the wall here. Disgraceful.
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    So?

    If you're entitled to benefits then why not? Life is hard and money is tight. Why make it harder?

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    The left will find some argument to protect their precious EU (to think they once opposed it), the fact is in 75 we signed up to free movement of labour not free movement of anyone
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    The left will find some argument to protect their precious EU (to think they once opposed it), the fact is in 75 we signed up to free movement of labour not free movement of anyone
    I swear in every single thread I find you in you're always complaining about left-wingers.
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    I swear in every single thread I find you in you're always complaining about left-wingers.
    The root of all evil in today's world
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    I swear in every single thread I find you in you're always complaining about left-wingers.
    To be fair when they come up with the kind of hilarity we have already seen in this thread;

    (Original post by Ebony & Ivory)
    So?

    If you're entitled to benefits then why not? Life is hard and money is tight. Why make it harder?

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    He has a very valid point.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    The left will find some argument to protect their precious EU (to think they once opposed it), the fact is in 75 we signed up to free movement of labour not free movement of anyone
    By the left, do you mean the Leader of the Conservative Party, David Cameron, who supports the previous EU?

    By not the left, do you mean the Leader of the Opposite, Jeremy Corby, who does not support it?
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    Disgraceful.

    Funny how we are accepting less applications from India/China even though they have the skills we need and the ££££££.

    (P.S i have already made a thread about this)
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    By the left, do you mean the Leader of the Conservative Party, David Cameron, who supports the previous EU?

    By not the left, do you mean the Leader of the Opposite, Jeremy Corby, who does not support it?
    Yet the right have more people willing to oppose the EU. Take UKIPs 4 million for a start. The fact is Jeremy ruled out campaigning to leave days after winning power. The greens are campaigning to stay, the lib dems, the SNP, plaid. Only the right will have the real say.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    The root of all evil in today's world
    😂😂😂😂😂
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    Spin spin spin spin spin.
    These figures are very sketchy and despite repeated requests have not been made available to the public.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    Yet the right have more people willing to oppose the EU. Take UKIPs 4 million for a start. The fact is Jeremy ruled out campaigning to leave days after winning power. The greens are campaigning to stay, the lib dems, the SNP, plaid. Only the right will have the real say.
    So the Conservative voters don't count as a part of the right whilst the extreme left, which Jeremy is a part of, doesn't count as a part of the left?

    The SNP is not left-wing.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    So the Conservative voters don't count as a part of the right whilst the extreme left, which Jeremy is a part of, doesn't count as a part of the left?

    The SNP is not left-wing.
    Conservative voters are centre and traitors in my eyes, I mean the real right wing.
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    (Original post by Gears265)
    Conservative voters are centre and traitors in my eyes, I mean the real right wing.
    Real right-wing = the extreme left which Jeremy is a part of?

    Real right-wing = the vast minority of UKIP voters among the British population?
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    This is according to Downing Street;
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34770875

    I would say discuss, or weigh in with my view, but the writing is on the wall here. Disgraceful.
    Think of the money which can be spent in the UK on running public services such as Police/NHS and fire service in this country to benefit us not other countries. Think of the infrastructure which could be funded with it and how many jobs can be created. Or they could actually refrain from working tax credits cuts all together if they stopped paying money to child benefits for polish people who work here and have Children at home. I think we should only give WTC(working tax credits) to English born or UK Citizenship of 5 years. The EU will not care as they will see it as funding the economy for other countries. For example If i was working in the UK and was Polish and was claiming for children back home the money could be spent in Poland meaning the EU will not care as it is making other countries in the convention richer. I can not word it very well but I hope you will understand
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    (Original post by ZZTop1)
    Think of the money which can be spent in the UK on running public services such as Police/NHS and fire service in this country to benefit us not other countries. Think of the infrastructure which could be funded with it and how many jobs can be created. Or they could actually refrain from working tax credits cuts all together if they stopped paying money to child benefits for polish people who work here and have Children at home. I think we should only give WTC(working tax credits) to English born or UK Citizenship of 5 years. The EU will not care as they will see it as funding the economy for other countries. For example If i was working in the UK and was Polish and was claiming for children back home the money could be spent in Poland meaning the EU will not care as it is making other countries in the convention richer. I can not word it very well but I hope you will understand
    Bit in bold a very good point.
    That is the problem-the wealthy get their low wage cleaners and other services and more people to rent their property to at disgustingly high prices.

    The big businesses get their low wages and the low inflation the Tories and Labour, both of them, are obsessed with. The problem right now isn't inflation but a lack of aggregate demand-but that is for another thread.

    The poor get their wages suppressed.They see their rent rise. They see their schools fill up. They see their job opportunities worsen. I could go on, but below is my view;

    My view from another thread;

    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    From the article;

    "But in a speech ahead of the letter's publication, he said four objectives lie at the heart of the UK's renegotiations:
    • Protection of the single market for Britain and other non-euro countries
    • Boosting competitiveness by setting a target for the reduction of the "burden" of red tape
    • Exempting Britain from "ever-closer union" and bolstering national parliaments
    • Restricting EU migrants' access to in-work benefits such as tax credits"
    So restricting EU migrants access to benefits, but not restricting their movement. So half a million a year can still arrive and there is nothing we can do about it. When Turkey gets let in to the EU imagine how many will come to here-it was bad when small countries like Bulgaria and Romania joined let alone huge ones.

    Anyone who votes to stay in the EU better not complain about;
    1) House prices. The population of Birmingham is imported every two-three years with current levels (like I said this will only rise and the recent figures support this). So every two to three years we would need to build a Birmingham just to keep things the same as now, not alleviate the housing problem but just keep it the same. Well I don't know about you but I suspect these new Birmingham's if they are built will be an even bigger dump than the current one which is no easy task I give you that. I am confident they will be though. Of course if the new Birmingham project doesn't begin or they aren't completed every three years god help the existing cities. House prices will soar.

    2) Public services. See the above-it is clear that these people will use services but there is no way the size needed (think Birmingham every two to three years) will be provided. Be prepared for a long wait to see a GP and if you ever want your kids to go to primary school in particular good luck. If by some miracle they do get in many will not speak English.
    http://www.teachingtimes.com/article...age-school.htm

    Good luck getting good grades then.

    3) Crime. Just look to France and Sweden to see the situation, in particular crimes of a sexual nature.

    4) Cultural change. Again this is common sense-all these new arrivals will go straight into existing ghettos or simply form their own. See the problem Sweden has with no go areas-do we have to get in their mess before we see sense?

    So anyone on here should have it on their tag (whatever it is that appears under all your posts) saying which way you voted. If you vote to stay in you should be rightly ridiculed should you ever complain about these issues on here. After all, the scale of the problem is clear and you still supported it. But the best part is still to come;
    We will pay £55 million a DAY for this absolutely country destroying deal. The membership fees are £55 million a day. That is over £20 billion a year. Whether you want to reduce the deficit, support the NHS or military, see spending on infrastructure increase, simply see benefits stay at this level, that £20 billion can go a long way.
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    For many, that's £20 a week child benefit. And?
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    The figures and incredibly dodgy and partially the manipulation of data.

    1) The data is not based on how many European Economic Migrants claim either in-work or out-of-work benefits, but how many receive “support” from them. Therefore, in a home of four migrants where just one is receiving some form of benefit, all four would be included in the Prime Minister’s claim.

    2) The analysis is based on a five per cent sample of European Economic Area migrants who arrived in the UK from March 2009 to March 2013. Therefore, the figures are already more than two years old.

    3) The “simulation model” used by the DWP to calculate the caseload information for tax credit and benefit claimants created a “small degree of discrepancy in caseload totals when compared with published caseload statistics per benefit/tax credit.”

    The report continues: “This introduces some degree of uncertainty around individual cases.”

    4) The figures do not differentiate children born in the UK from those brought to the UK by migrants. Therefore, if a migrant mother and migrant father in receipt of a benefit have a baby in the UK, that baby is still classed as a migrant relying on benefits. These figures estimate that between 75,000 and 95,000 are children.

    5) The range of error is eight per cent. In real terms, that is 40,000 people – the difference between 195,000 and 235,000.

    6) According to the DWP, “around 66 per cent were claims where either a main claimant or their partner (if in a couple) was recorded as being in work.” Just a third were out-of-work benefit claimants.
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    (Original post by i<3milkshake)
    This is according to Downing Street;
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34770875

    I would say discuss, or weigh in with my view, but the writing is on the wall here. Disgraceful.
    Yet they will not change out of work benefit only in work benefits, provided our supreme leader approves.
 
 
 
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