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Why are there still not that many? Where are they to be found? What kind of background do most of them tend to hail from?

Surely it is inevitable that their numbers will increase whether or not we want Islam here or not given easterners birth rates, decline of Christian church attendance, the Asianisation/Africanisation of most of our larger cities?
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Why are there still not that many? Where are they to be found? What kind of background do most of them tend to hail from?

Surely it is inevitable that their numbers will increase whether or not we want Islam here or not given easterners birth rates, decline of Christian church attendance, the Asianisation/Africanisation of most of our larger cities?
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Lol Barry from Four Lions

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Why are there still not that many? Where are they to be found? What kind of background do most of them tend to hail from?

Surely it is inevitable that their numbers will increase whether or not we want Islam here or not given easterners birth rates, decline of Christian church attendance, the Asianisation/Africanisation of most of our larger cities?
There is a popular belief that the Christian church has declined in the UK do to less people being visible in the Church of England & Catholic sects.

Its actually quite the reverse. There is a huge increase in Christians but they belong to different organisations and they tend to operate online or in medium sized groups who use community centers to host their worship days or hold events out in the open.

1. Political Christians. The majority of them are either National Socialist or Libertarian Socialist. Popular Right Wing groups who have them are Britain First, EDL and the BNP. Popular Left Wing groups tend to be Trade Unionist Socialist Coalition and ANTIFA.

Political Christians tend to be more focused on culture & less focused on preaching the Bible.

2. Doomsday Preppers. This group tends to be incredibly with preparing for tribulation or prophecy events. These can be war, economic collapse, climate change, a police state etc. They regular congregate in meet ups across the country where they either practice bush craft skills or improve their preparations.

Doomsday Preppers tend to be pre-occupied with radio shows, learning new skills and trying to wake up fools who they call sheeple.

3. The internet Evangelists. This group tend to be individuals or groups of people who are known as online ministries who compete for online YouTube subscribers. They literally go out into the streets in town & cities across the UK and preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ while being filmed doing so. They also are known for arguing with each other a lot and the main subject tends to be who is a 'true christian'.

Internet Evangelists tend to be trouble causers but at the same time they do bring a lot of people to know Jesus Christ.

4. The Occult Watchers. This group is literally obsessed with monitoring the ruling class, the music industry and certain popular culture. They often have YouTube channels or are part of a wider community that study the occult behavior and then broadcast information online. This group tends to be very judgmental and do not shy away from a argument.

Majority of the Occult Watchers tend to be classed as heretics by the Internet Evangelists. The Occult Watchers tend to be more bothered about seeking out information & knowledge where as the Internet Evangelists care more about numbers.

5. Day Center Parents & Social-able folk. This group tends to be the group who organize the worship sessions. Due to Christians dwindling presence on the high street many Christian groups of different denominations tend to stick together in 1 group.

There tends to be a strict standard and that is everyone uses the King James Bible. This is because it is a version which hasn't been changed for many years and it is a version which everyone can relate too.

There has also been growth of home worship where Christians adopt the Amish way of Worship. Instead of paying tithes of 10% of income churches have began to invite people back to their homes and worship in their gardens.

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And that is how Christianity has changed in the UK.
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Why are there still not that many? Where are they to be found? What kind of background do most of them tend to hail from?

Surely it is inevitable that their numbers will increase whether or not we want Islam here or not given easterners birth rates, decline of Christian church attendance, the Asianisation/Africanisation of most of our larger cities?
For what I am about to say in this post please be aware that by no means am I trying to cause Islamophobia. I am arguing Christian scripture vs Muslim scripture as a Christian Apologist.

Now as for the lack of White Converts there is a big reason for this. Christians have started to read the Quran in Arabic and not in English translations. They then have compared it to the King James Bible. And what they have found is that the Quran & the Muslims deity is nothing more than a interloper.

As a Christian myself I can prove that the Quran is basically a copy and that the Holy Bible is the authentic version. I will give 2 examples. 1 from the Quran and 1 from the Bible.

This is from a Sunni Muslim Website just so you can't call me a liar.
http://www.altafsir.com/ViewTranslat...nslationBook=4

[4:171]
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

Here you see a verse in the Quran saying Jesus Christ is a messenger (apostle) of God, the Word of God and the Holy Spirit. The words which are put in brackets in the verse are words added to the Quran. They are commentary.

Now let us look at the Bible where Christ clearly tells us that he will send us a comforter who cannot be a man which Prophet Muhammad was and still is buried in Medina, Saudi Arabia.

John 14:15-21

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Okay look at the words in Bold.

Jesus says if the disciples keep his laws he shall give them a Comforter.
This Comforter known as the Spirit of Truth that cannot be seen or known by the world and it can dwell with and in the disciples. Jesus then says he will come to the disciples and be in them and manifest hisself to them.

Now let us Compare this to Muhammad.

Muhammad was seen and known by the world. Muhammad had no supernatural power to dwell within his followers and doesn't spiritually reappear in his followers. He also doesn't allow his followers to dwell within him either.

So who is the Comforter; the Spirit of Truth? It is Jesus Christ in a Spirit state. This is why we have the Trinity. The Father, The Word that was made flesh and the Spirit. All are different forms of God who we Christians call Jesus Christ.

This is 2 major reasons why Muslim preachers are having a hard time spreading their faith. It is because Christian like myself are teaching other Christians the flaws of the Quran.

Now am I Islamophobic? No. Do I hate Islam? No. In fact I enjoy getting my hands on Islamic literature because if I didn't have Islamic literature like the Sunni Tafsirs & The Hadith's I wouldn't be able to show Christians how many flaws are in the Islamic belief system.

I'll leave you with this video.

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Lol Barry from Four Lions

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That film was so peak

This was the best bit though


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That film was so peak

This was the best bit though


Hahahah yesss
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i know loads of white muslims some of them are half white half pakistani but they look white
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Where can I watch this online? And what is it called?
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PROSM :rofl:

Where can I watch this online? And what is it called?
It is called citizen khan. My dad watches it sometime.
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It is called citizen khan. My dad watches it sometime.
It's hilarious haha - I watched the first episode last night and then fell asleep face down on my laptop.
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The Arabic Qu'ran is (most likely) unchanged from the original and preserved through the centuries by memorisation and oral tradition. The King James Bible is younger than the works of Shakespeare and is primarily of interest to English speaking people. Do many Christians who do not know English or use English as their main language have much interest in the King James Bible or not?

The New Testament as a single compilation was created by Athanasius in the 4th century after the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Christians used over 100 different books and documents in addition to the Old Testament before the Council of Nicea. There were many Gospels by different people but only four were selected for inclusion in the New Testament.
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The Arabic Qu'ran is (most likely) unchanged from the original and preserved through the centuries by memorisation and oral tradition. The King James Bible is younger than the works of Shakespeare and is primarily of interest to English speaking people. Do many Christians who do not know English or use English as their main language have much interest in the King James Bible or not?

The New Testament as a single compilation was created by Athanasius in the 4th century after the Council of Nicea in 325AD. Christians used over 100 different books and documents in addition to the Old Testament before the Council of Nicea. There were many Gospels by different people but only four were selected for inclusion in the New Testament.
I think the earliest complete Qu'ran in existence today is dated about 790AD. If it was written over 23 years beginning in 609AD when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death then there is a 158 year period when absolutely anything could have happened to it.

There is no way of knowing that the 790AD version is unchanged from the version that Muhammad completed in 632.

Not that this proves anything one way or another.
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When did the tradition of memorising the Qu'ran and reciting it annually during Taraweeh prayers in Ramadan start? Was this before 790AD?
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My old driving instructor was a white muslin lady. Wouldn't know from looking at her mind because she didn't wear a headscarf.
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I've only ever met one and she's left since then. Really nice girl but easily influenced (her old BF used to beat her up but she kept coming back to him) I hope she's grown up since then, she's like the kindest person I know.
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