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    (Original post by Green_World)
    What is it with my signature ? does my signature tells you COVERT TO ISLAM OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL ?? :rolleyes:

    As to my forum, do you think quoting and questioning the bible and christianity amounts to '' viciously attacking '' ???

    Christian missionaries are invading the muslim world, they are allocating MILLIONS of Dollars to convert Muslims, our forum is humble attempt to spread awareness between muslims about christianity, we are trying to shield those muslims who dont know any thing about christianity and inform them about the bible, the man worshiping doctrine of christianity and their own religion, Islam.

    You need to read the original post here, dont you think we muslims are offended by those christians and their intentions ??? :mad:

    Can I ask what were your intentions for starting this thread? You say you're not 'preaching', if not then what are you doing? Did you intend to spark off some sort of discussion or something?
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    True but a million pounds is a lot of money for them to put into it when it could be spent on much better things. The catholic church aren't exactly spreading a good message at the moment. There actions in Africa and south America are appaling in my oppinion.
    Sure. But from the Church's own point of view, they believe their message is good and worthy, and therefore it is worth spreading.
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    (Original post by Green_World)
    Funding Stepped Up To Curb Spread Of Islam: Welt

    By Khaled Schmitt, IOL Correspondent

    BERLIN, May 31 (IslamOnline.net) – A German paper reported that the Vatican has been pumping huge amounts of funds into a very influential institution of the Catholic Church to halt the spread of Islam across the world.

    In a report headlined "A million against Muhammad" Welt am Sonntag said Sunday, May 30, that huge amounts of money will be allotted to the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, a reportedly secret organization.

    The report, prepared by Andreas Englisch, said the organization is now mainly concerned with stemming the rising reversion to Islam by tarnishing the image of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

    The Rome-based organization, ostensibly directed to study the relation between Islam and Christianity, is the only international body working for fueling tension between followers of the two faiths, it added.

    The paper said the organization is getting a wide support from world governments and decision-makers to help it further promote Catholicism, proselytization and carry out statistics and comparison studies on the spread of Islam and Christianity in the world.

    This marks a change of perception towards the group, which had been ignored, with Foreign Ministers declining to meet its representatives since its establishment by Pope Pius VI in 1966-1572, it added.

    The pope had wanted to use the congregation for spreading Catholicism and proselytize other peoples in new methods, the paper said.

    Merciless

    The German newspaper said that the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples depend on "merciless" administrative methods for its work, the same the publication likened to those used by army soldiers.

    It cited the congregation's prefect Crescenzio Sepe calling the members of the organization as "my soldiers".

    The word was not uttered randomly, but rather with a significance of the work of the organization, the paper said, noting that the congregation directly supervises 1,081 dioceses secretly working in countries that ban Catholic activities.

    The publication named Saudi Arabia, Yemen, China, Vietnam and Cambodia as some of these countries, saying that 40 per cent of Christians support the organization's activities across the world.

    It said that 85,000 bishops and priests and 450,000 administrative workers, all have helped prepare 65,000 priests in 280 courses made over last years.

    Serving this huge number of staffers is "another army" comprising one million ordinary people, with each earning 30 dollars as a basic monthly pay in return for moving across towns and villages for proselytizing the poor and marginalized, the paper averred.

    The organization has also a large infrastructure, including 42,000 schools, 1,600 hospitals, 6,000 first-aid medical centers and 780 others for treating cases inflicted with hepatitis, and 12,000 offices for helping the poor and needy, the paper said.

    Qatar Inauguration

    Welt am Sonntag gave an extensive account of the organization's schools in Asia and Africa, ways which the paper said are the best for proselytizing and spreading Catholicism.

    The paper said that Cardinal Sepe inaugurated one of these schools last week in Doha, Qatar, with 4,000 students a third of whom are Christians.

    Sepe, who staged the celebration of John Paul’s 50th anniversary as a priest in 1996, then said that the school is mainly introducing to students a high-level education allowing them to be open minded and unaffected by the stigma on Christianity.

    Unlike the Doha school, where forms of proselytizing are avoided in line with the Arab Gulf country's laws, other schools are built in Asian countries – especially India – clearly to turn pupils into Christians.

    A lot of funds is given for the construction of these schools, but the money is deemed well-invested to pay off in ending the spread of Islam, said the paper.

    The organization has a budget of 500 million dollars annually, mainly earmarked for proselytizing and stemming the conversion to Islam, the paper concluded.

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle09.shtml

    The article in its original German:

    http://www.wams.de/data/2004/05/30/284942.html
    Have you even read the original article in "Die Welt"?

    The account you provide here is very inaccurate.

    On a general note: The account you provide fails to reflect the general POSTITIVE undertone of the original article towards the organsation mentioned.

    It systematically picks up the negative remarks, but ignores the positive ones.

    The most blatant example is the conclusion the article draws (the two last paragraphs). Here's my translation (I've tried to keep it as literal as I could in order to avoid any alteration of the meaning. Therefore, the style is not always very elegant) :

    'In the worst international [Brandherd = literally "fire place", ie. a place that is ablaze], the Catholics managed to get an important strategic success. The suffering of the Palestinians is used worldwide by Muslim extremists, including Osama Bin Laden, to call for "counter-violence", by equating it to the suffering of Muslims in itself. They use it to call for a "strike-back".

    However, the Catholic patriarch of Jerusalem, the Palestinian Christian Michel Sabbah managed, with a certain success, to make it clear, even within the Arab world, that that argumentation is absurd, if only because there are 200,000 Palestinian Christians (8,6 % of the population). This message is also spread by the congregation: Christian families have been living in Bethlehem for more than 800 years. Sabbah tries with insistance to make it clear, that Christian, Jews and Muslims suffer equally in the Middle-East. This strategy, consisting in disputing the terrorists' fundamental ground for action, seems to work: The Hamas-movement calls it [Sabbah's strategy] in a declaration "worse than a bomb".'


    Clearly, the conclusion is central to the article. The account you provide of the article is totally inaccurate, and very biased indeed. It completely corrupts the original meaning of the article.

    Check your sources next time!
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    (Original post by Green_World)
    Will care to provide some examples ?
    yes, this thread. started by you.

    Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.
    i had never considered jihad in that sense.
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    (Original post by Green_World)
    Funding Stepped Up To Curb Spread Of Islam: Welt

    By Khaled Schmitt, IOL Correspondent

    BERLIN, May 31 (IslamOnline.net) – A German paper reported that the Vatican has been pumping huge amounts of funds into a very influential institution of the Catholic Church to halt the spread of Islam across the world.

    In a report headlined "A million against Muhammad" Welt am Sonntag said Sunday, May 30, that huge amounts of money will be allotted to the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, a reportedly secret organization.

    The report, prepared by Andreas Englisch, said the organization is now mainly concerned with stemming the rising reversion to Islam by tarnishing the image of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

    The Rome-based organization, ostensibly directed to study the relation between Islam and Christianity, is the only international body working for fueling tension between followers of the two faiths, it added.

    The paper said the organization is getting a wide support from world governments and decision-makers to help it further promote Catholicism, proselytization and carry out statistics and comparison studies on the spread of Islam and Christianity in the world.

    This marks a change of perception towards the group, which had been ignored, with Foreign Ministers declining to meet its representatives since its establishment by Pope Pius VI in 1966-1572, it added.

    The pope had wanted to use the congregation for spreading Catholicism and proselytize other peoples in new methods, the paper said.

    Merciless

    The German newspaper said that the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples depend on "merciless" administrative methods for its work, the same the publication likened to those used by army soldiers.

    It cited the congregation's prefect Crescenzio Sepe calling the members of the organization as "my soldiers".

    The word was not uttered randomly, but rather with a significance of the work of the organization, the paper said, noting that the congregation directly supervises 1,081 dioceses secretly working in countries that ban Catholic activities.

    The publication named Saudi Arabia, Yemen, China, Vietnam and Cambodia as some of these countries, saying that 40 per cent of Christians support the organization's activities across the world.

    It said that 85,000 bishops and priests and 450,000 administrative workers, all have helped prepare 65,000 priests in 280 courses made over last years.

    Serving this huge number of staffers is "another army" comprising one million ordinary people, with each earning 30 dollars as a basic monthly pay in return for moving across towns and villages for proselytizing the poor and marginalized, the paper averred.

    The organization has also a large infrastructure, including 42,000 schools, 1,600 hospitals, 6,000 first-aid medical centers and 780 others for treating cases inflicted with hepatitis, and 12,000 offices for helping the poor and needy, the paper said.

    Qatar Inauguration

    Welt am Sonntag gave an extensive account of the organization's schools in Asia and Africa, ways which the paper said are the best for proselytizing and spreading Catholicism.

    The paper said that Cardinal Sepe inaugurated one of these schools last week in Doha, Qatar, with 4,000 students a third of whom are Christians.

    Sepe, who staged the celebration of John Paul’s 50th anniversary as a priest in 1996, then said that the school is mainly introducing to students a high-level education allowing them to be open minded and unaffected by the stigma on Christianity.

    Unlike the Doha school, where forms of proselytizing are avoided in line with the Arab Gulf country's laws, other schools are built in Asian countries – especially India – clearly to turn pupils into Christians.

    A lot of funds is given for the construction of these schools, but the money is deemed well-invested to pay off in ending the spread of Islam, said the paper.

    The organization has a budget of 500 million dollars annually, mainly earmarked for proselytizing and stemming the conversion to Islam, the paper concluded.

    http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle09.shtml

    The article in its original German:

    http://www.wams.de/data/2004/05/30/284942.html
    You won´t gain anything by starting this kind of threads every day. Sorry.
 
 
 

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