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Philip Larkin and High Windows

I was thinking we could maybe start a revision thread about him here. I hate this book so much, it's so bloody depressing! The difficulty is, I can analyse the poems fairly well in themselves, but the essay questions are so different to poetry questions we get at gcse, like:

"Discuss, with reference to High Windows, the view that Larkin’s nostalgia and conservatism reflect a sense of personal failure."

all i have to say to that is: :eek:

anyone else studying Larkin?

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Reply 1

I'm studying Larkin, and find the essay questions rather strange as well. I like your idea for a revison thread, so I'm in!

Reply 2

lol,

snap!

I'm doing this book aswell!

Again, you will have to refer to the context (which is pretty obvious)

Here's some personal failures that I can think of:

He only had 3 long term relationships. One girl was so ugly he was ashamed to introduce her to his friends.

All his friends were getting rich and famous from writing books and he wasn't.

I'm sure that you can find some poems that refer to either of these!

Reply 3

Good idea about starting a revision thread. I'm finding it ever so hard to motivate myself to revise due to Larkins' depressing subject matter...in fact it actually depressed me to the point of having to place 'High Windows' in a small box..I havn't taken it out since.

Reply 4

i actually love Larkin i think his subject matter is both realistic of life and thought provoking. Yeah i see your point that its a bit depressing, The Bulilding in particular, but i think sometimes its gd to think about things that we push to the back of our minds to avoid thinking about.

Revision thread sounds good!

Reply 5

cool, so how should we do this? Either go through the poems and analyse them, linking them to the contextual issues, e.g: "The building" is a prime example of sacramentalism in Larkin's poetry.... or another way? Let me know any ideas!

Reply 6

Excellent idea! We haven't even finished the poems yet and I'm quite worried because our English teacher left, so we have this new straaange woman who doesn't seem to know what she's doing!.. Any help with contextualising the poems would be great as we haven't done much work on that at all.

Reply 7

is her name gail? because if it is im warning you now, you're screwed.

I just wrote an essay titled "'it is no more than a poetic scrapbook, a random collection with no coherent theme.' How far do you agree with this view of high windows?"

Not sure if i did it right, but i answered by arguing that there were several coherent themes that linked the poems together. I focused on: the inevitability of death, the transience of life, the religious symbolism in his poems, and the theme of remoteness and isolation. Used the poems The Building, The Old Fools, Cut Grass, The Trees, Vers De Societe, To The Sea, Livings Part 1 and Sad Steps (the question said we could refer to 2 or 3 poems in detail or range more widely through the collection). Thoughts anyone.... does it sound okish?

I've also got a list of exam questions that i can post and we can talk about how we can answer them if that's any help :smile:

Reply 8

Is it true that if you write about another poem from a DIFFERENT collection then you get an automatic A grade (providing that the content on HW is good though lol!)

Reply 9

i dunno.... would be great if it was though! We have looked at some of his othe poems, like Aubade and Toads, but I'll have to check with my english teacher if that's true. That's what I find difficult about A-level lit, you are encouraged to refer to things in a wide rcontext, but not so much so that you go compeltely off the point. grr.

Reply 10

hey, i downloaded some practice essay questions on Larkin from my college intranet, i thought it would be useful if we could go through a couple of the more difficult ones, share ideas on how we would answer them, poems we could use etc. feel free to pick a poem and discuss.


1.An interviewer once remarked to Larkin: “your favourite subjects are failure and weakness”.
How far do you agree that “failure and weakness” are “favourite subjects in High Windows.

2.“Larkin’s poetry is founded on misanthropy and a calculated philistinism.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

3.“Larkin’s personæ express the alienation of contemporary life.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

4.Discuss, with reference to High Windows, the view that Larkin’s nostalgia and conservatism reflect a sense of personal failure.

5.“In Larkin’s poetry, the fusion between the personal and the national life is made through the idea of power and its loss.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

6.“Larkin’s reflections of British society are shot through with an intense loathing of his own insularity.” Discuss with reference to High Windows.

7.“Larkin’s poetry presents life as a bleak, sometimes horrifying business.” Discuss this view with reference to High Windows.

8.“High Windows is full of personalities, each exemplifying the painful erosion of expectation by experience.” Discuss.

9.“Larkin’s mood is never one of despair and often there is a deep yearning for an escape from futility.” Discuss this view with reference to High Windows.

10.‘Many of Larkin’s poems reveal a powerful sense of remoteness from the world in which he lives’.
How far do you agree? You should base your answer on an examination of To the\Sea and at least two other appropriate poems of your choice.


11.‘What Larkin’s poetry reflects is not so much class snobbery as a distaste for all things modern’.
To what extent does this fit with your reading of the poems? You should base your answer on an examination of three or more appropriate poems of your choice.

Reply 11

I literally hate this collection, not because its difficult or anyhitng but because there's no useful notes whatsoever on the book online.

I've searched every possible site that offers help but none are remotely useful. An incompetent teacher doesn't help matters either.

I understand the poems but like some of you, am baffled by the questions, they seem so random.

Im glad this thread has started up however with just 4 weeks left till the exams i dont know how useful its going to be.

For the time being thanks for the exam questions lily, again reminds me just how difficult these exam questions are.

Reply 12

rachel_hp
I literally hate this collection, not because its difficult or anyhitng but because there's no useful notes whatsoever on the book online.


I totally agree with you there. I tried going on the Philip Larkin Society and had a look round the forums... after sifting through the junk posts (which take up about 20 pages!!!) i found some notes. But the majority of posts in the forum were people moaning about "newbies" and "bloody students" asking for help. I mean the cheek! eessh! :mad:

I have been trying to make my own article recently on wikipedia, in case anyone's interested, and i'm hoping to put brief analysis on each poem in the next week or so. Every little helps i guess...

Toodles for now :biggrin:
Sarah x

Reply 13

Burnt Face Man
I totally agree with you there. I tried going on the Philip Larkin Society and had a look round the forums... after sifting through the junk posts (which take up about 20 pages!!!) i found some notes. But the majority of posts in the forum were people moaning about "newbies" and "bloody students" asking for help. I mean the cheek! eessh! :mad:

I have been trying to make my own article recently on wikipedia, in case anyone's interested, and i'm hoping to put brief analysis on each poem in the next week or so. Every little helps i guess...

Toodles for now :biggrin:
Sarah x


Could you perhaps, share the notes you managed to find?

Keep us updated on the article, every little sure helps (though im going to need all the help in the world if i want to pass this exam)

Reply 14

lily_of_the_valley
hey, i downloaded some practice essay questions on Larkin from my college intranet, i thought it would be useful if we could go through a couple of the more difficult ones, share ideas on how we would answer them, poems we could use etc. feel free to pick a poem and discuss.


1.An interviewer once remarked to Larkin: “your favourite subjects are failure and weakness”.
How far do you agree that “failure and weakness” are “favourite subjects in High Windows.

2.“Larkin’s poetry is founded on misanthropy and a calculated philistinism.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

3.“Larkin’s personæ express the alienation of contemporary life.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

4.Discuss, with reference to High Windows, the view that Larkin’s nostalgia and conservatism reflect a sense of personal failure.

5.“In Larkin’s poetry, the fusion between the personal and the national life is made through the idea of power and its loss.” Discuss with reference to two or three poems from High Windows.

6.“Larkin’s reflections of British society are shot through with an intense loathing of his own insularity.” Discuss with reference to High Windows.

7.“Larkin’s poetry presents life as a bleak, sometimes horrifying business.” Discuss this view with reference to High Windows.

8.“High Windows is full of personalities, each exemplifying the painful erosion of expectation by experience.” Discuss.

9.“Larkin’s mood is never one of despair and often there is a deep yearning for an escape from futility.” Discuss this view with reference to High Windows.

10.‘Many of Larkin’s poems reveal a powerful sense of remoteness from the world in which he lives’.
How far do you agree? You should base your answer on an examination of To the\Sea and at least two other appropriate poems of your choice.


11.‘What Larkin’s poetry reflects is not so much class snobbery as a distaste for all things modern’.
To what extent does this fit with your reading of the poems? You should base your answer on an examination of three or more appropriate poems of your choice.



these look like A2 questions when you don't have the poetry in front of you, AS questions when you are allowed to look at the poems always ask you to refer to a certain poem or theme.

Reply 15

Here's the brief analysis I have for the first 4 poems:

To The Sea

The poem appears to contrast Larkin's childhood memories with the present day creating a sense of nostalgia and longing.


His idealised scene in the first 2 stanzas contrasts greatly with the neglected beach of the present day, and his tone throughout the poem is that of cynicism and an ongoing dissaproval of change which characterises the collection.


Larkin uses negative words such 'weak,' 'cheap" and 'rusting' to show how the beach has deteriorated as Larkin has aged. The perception changes to show that as Larkin ages, the beach loses its value e.g. "Famous Cricketers" vs. "Cheap Cigars".


The perfect seaside scene is described using primary colours suggesting a picture postcard view. The vivid descriptions give an authentic viewpoint and make imagining the beach very easy.' Additionally, he has deliberately chosen a setting which will be familiar to everyone and is inately british.


Larkin is observing people on the beach, but finds he does not fit into the groups - Children, Parents and Their Parents. As a result he is alienated from the people he is observing. Futhermore, the juxtposition of the young and old represent the sense of tradition encapsulated by the seaside.



Sympathy in White Major

One of Larkin's most unusual poems as it is never made clear what the narrator is discussing.


The first stanza is the narrator lovingly describing himself pouring a drink, and then making a "private pledge" to someone who "devoted his life to others."

The second stanza is alot more vague, leading to some interpretations that the narrator is possibly attending a funeral ("other people wore like clothes" - all dressed the same, e.g black at a funeral, also the title "sympathy") but is drunk.


The last stanza is mostly in italic to suggest that the narrator is making a toast to "the whitest man I know" and ends on a pun, "though white is not my favourite colour."



The Trees

The poem is about the trick of rebirth, of life and rejuvination.


The use of greeness suggests nature, spring, life, youth and naievety.


This is one of his more 'upbeat' poems and through it Larkin highlights the trees potential to renew themelves and to begin "afresh, afresh, afresh" despite their lack of immortality.



Livings
Livings I

The first section of the poem is dedicated to the day-to-day life of a travelling salesman.


The generalisation of his life to the lives of other salesmen is shown by the use of blanks, " The ------- Hotel."


Recurring motifs of isolation are used, such as "single room" and "one beer."


The last line makes reference to the 1929 stock market crash, "It's time for change in nineteen twenty-nine." This creates a sense of irony that the narrator does not realise what will happen, but the reader does.



Livings II

The second part of "Livings" is about a Lightouse Keeper. It is surprising upbeat, suggesting that solitude is a good thing.


Lots of imagery is used throughout this section, such as "radio rubs its legs" to suggest interference on the radio. Also when he describes the mussels and limpets that "husband their tenacity." This imagery can suggest that the sea creatures are desperately clinging on to the rocks just as the lightouse keeper is trying to cling onto his sanity.


The theory that the lighthouse keeper is insane can be backed up by his sudden outbursts, like "creatures I cherish you!" and "running suds, rejoice!"



Livings III

The final installment of "Livings" is about a a group of university lecturers dining "without the Master." From its masculine style and crude behaviour it is reminiscent of "The Card Players".


The topics of conversation leave something to be desired and the use of latin to describe a female sex organ ("pudendum muleris") shows the pretentious nature of these men.


Larkin also uses bathos when describing the conversations of "resurrection, regicide and rabbit pie" further implying the pompous and pretentious behaviour.


The naming of the butler, "Starveling" highlights the social status of servants in comparison to their masters.



Sarah x
P.S. More coming soon!

Reply 16

Mwhahaha!!!

I Got A Philip Larkin Revision Guide!!!!

It's So Good!!!

Reply 17

frankie_sez_relax
Mwhahaha!!!

I Got A Philip Larkin Revision Guide!!!!

It's So Good!!!


:eek: You did? guess i haven't been searching enough, has it got a detailed analysis on each poem?

Sarah, thanks a lot, very much appreciated :wink:

Reply 18

yes it does

along with themes,

language

and how the poem reflects the context!!!

it's amazing!!!

tell me people if u manage to find it

positive reps may make me loosen my lips

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