Are ISIS members the REAL muslims?

I'm not sure I would agree with that treatise on the Islamic role in developing science. Certainly the European role in developing chemistry, for example, was vastly underplayed. The direct influence of Greek philosophy (particularly Aristotle's) seemed to be burdened with the Islamic empire as the middle man, painting a different picture of its arrival in Europe. Though I can see that it was a defence of Islamic influence rather than a comparison with Europe so can't push these points too far.
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no their not considered muslims cos they don't follow the quran

All those things that you said are wrong mate. Disbelief, opposition, disobeying god's law does not lead to the death penalty, or any penalty.
Evidence?

Sura 5:33 - "The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief (fasad) in the land is only that they shall be killed"

"`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways.Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil" - Ibn Kathir

"Fasad" describes a range of actions that involve rejection of god's law, moral corruption or civil disobedience.

Any occupying power needs the native population to maintain the economy, so obviously they didn't kill them. They gave them the option of converting or paying the jizya tax.

The Quran specifies that disbelievers are to be spared if they submit to Islam. If Christians or Jews (but not any other religion) submitted and payed the jizya, they could often continue practicing. It is easier to control an occupied population if you don't oppress them too hard.

What is this referring to?

I never do. It would be easy to disprove me if I did.

The only difference is that scientific pursuit wasn't labelled heresy in the islamic world of the time when it would have been in europe.

Where do you think the "violent Muslims" get their ideas from?
Apologists may argue that all the violent verses are taken out of context, misinterpreted, are no longer relevant, etc... but they are still in the Quran and so therefore as true as all the peaceful verses. So if a Muslim reads those verses and gets the idea that the Quran promotes violence - he is getting the idea from the Quran!

Also, I assume that you also claim that Islam does not promote peace either. Certain people bring peace into the religion.
So, if the behaviour of Muslims is determined by their previous character, of what use is Islam?

People need to think their glib platitudes through a little better.

Islam is the ideology as laid out in the Quran and sunnah. It is clearly defined and can be analysed and criticised.

Muslims are individuals who follow that ideology, and may differ in how they implement that ideology. They must be judged on their words and actions.

Indeed. No reasonable person with knowledge of the subject would claim that they are.

So, do you think that Allah got it wrong when he gave men permission to have 4 wives (he actually gave Muhammad permission to marry 11!, But that was just for him. Convenient, eh?)
and even in quran- men isn't allowed to marry more thanone women for the sake of sex, he can have more wives but he should support them financially which seems to b impossible to take care of more than one women so its not really generalised nowdays

Do you think he got it wrong by permitting slavery, or allowing husbands to hit their disobedient wives in certain circumstances?

You might not, but Allah seems to.

How about the men who murdered a camel herder and stole Muhammad's camels? Did he show kindness to them?
No. He tortured them to death!
What about the Banu Qurayza? Did he show kindness to them after they surrendered to him?
No. He beheaded all the men and older boys, and enslaved all the women and children!

As you have already said, you don't know much about Islam, so it's probably best to avoid making such sweeping statements.

ISIS are following both of those verses.
9:29, because, well, they are doing exactly what it says.
5:32, because they are killing those who Allah has allowed to be killed...HOLD ON! You've edited out the bit where it says that you can kill people who Allah has permitted. That's very, very naughty!

But there is the verse that allows the killing of those who oppose Islam. Read 5:33, and if it isn't entirely clear, read Ibn Kathir's tafsir for an explanation of what it means.

I do hope that you don't follow 5:33, or the other verses that encourage fighting disbelievers until all religion is for Allah, and stuff like that.
Also, will you dutifully accept a beating from your husband as a last resort, if he fears disobedience from you.
No doubt you will be happy to inherit half what your brother inherits, and approve of flogging people for consensual, adult sex.

Quite simply, because a literalist, non-interprative reading of the Quran allows them to.

That's because you were taught a sanitised, revisionist version of Islam, moderated by years of influence by secular liberalism, that is compatable with life in a modern democracy (you demonstrate this in the quote above. Islam does not mean "peace", it means "submission".)

ISIS reject this approach and insist that Allah actually meant what he said. All of it.

Are you labeling me an "apologist"? I guess the answer you wanted me to say is "Muslims are all bad". In this case, I give a perfectly balanced answer and I'm getting plastered for it. Can't have an opinion these days without annoying some people

There is no such thing as 'real Muslims' or 'fake Muslims', if you call yourself a Muslim you are a Muslim.. nobody can determine whether someone is a Muslim, or a Christian or whatever else. You can interpret those fairy tales however you want and just because someone doesnt follow the same verses as you doesnt mean they arent a Christian or a Muslim etc. Yes, ISIS members are Muslim, Islam is the whole point of their ideology.

well depends why men marrying another women- but as far as i know Muhammad married more than 1 wife so he can give support to others financially coz in early century it was a hard life.but if Muhammad would have marry more than 1 wife to have sexual intercourse than i would b against with it!!!

so u saying that Muhammed tortured those people to death or kill them???

Only four of his eleven wives were widows who he married to relieve hardship. Some were political marriages and some were captives from battles, at least one of whom Muhammad selected for her beauty.

Look up sura 4:34. It contains the line...
"But those wives from whom you fear arrogance - first advise them; then if they persist, forsake them in bed; and finally, strike them"

It seems that there is quite a bit about Islam that you do not agree with. Perhaps it's not right for you?

u may know or dont but they also killing muslims too and i have heard somewhere but they killed a large amount of mulsims than non muslims but the fact is that they killing muslims tooo....

well... i dont agree with these things coz i am women myself and cannot tolerate this...
but tbh... i have never ever seen these things in my family/relatives and thery aren't really generalise

ISIS have a very strict, literalist interpretation of Islam. They consider Muslims who do not follow it as strictly as they do to have commited kufr and become apostates.

Essentally, they are doing what many Muslims are doing to them of these threads - saying that they are not "true Muslims". The big difference is that yhey follow the quran and sunnah to the letter, and so view these "apostates" to be opposing their version of "true Islam" and can therefore be killed.

the Quran was written in early early centuries when war happens all the time.... killing was a normal routine when there is many islamic wars like ghazwa-e-uhad or ghazwa e badr took place and the Quran was written in those circumstances where as now.... modern world; its totally different and no one follow the commands unless its so important
people do pray 5 times or read quran on daily basis coz these things r good to do. And this can b generalise
whereas, killing, hitting doesn't generalise to normal muslims like me
i think Quran may refers to old centuries circumstances