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I do not really need help but i made this integral inspired by this thread earlier

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3733947

and wondered if all there are any takers with gonads ...


(good surfers with other's work/ideas need not participate)
Reply 1
Original post by TeeEm
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I do not really need help but i made this integral inspired by this thread earlier

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3733947

and wondered if all there are any takers with gonads ...


(good surfers with other's work/ideas need not participate)


Lemma: 12u52u3=6(2u3)2u3+1852u3=6+132u3\displaystyle \frac{12u - 5}{2u-3} = \frac{6(2u - 3)}{2u - 3} + \frac{18-5}{2u-3} = 6 + \frac{13}{2u-3}

Divide the numerator and denominator of the integrand by cosx\cos x to get

12u52u3dx=6+132tanx3dx\displaystyle \int \frac{12u - 5}{2u-3} \, \mathrm{d}x = \int 6 + \frac{13}{2 \tan x - 3} \, \mathrm{d}x (can't be bothered with all the tan x's.

This gets you 6x+13dx2tanx3+C0\displaystyle 6x + 13\int \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{2 \tan x - 3} + \mathcal{C}_0

Focusing on the above integral a sub of u=tanxu = \tan x looks promising (I'm doing this as I type. :tongue: )

du=sec2x=1+tan2x=1+u2\displaystyle \mathrm{d}u = \sec^2 x = 1 + \tan^2 x = 1 + u^2

So 132u3dxdudu=13(2u3)(1+u2)\displaystyle \int \frac{13}{2u - 3} \, \frac{\mathrm{dx}}{{\mathrm{d}u}} \, \mathrm{d}u = \int \frac{13}{(2u -3)(1+u^2)} (using W.A to do the partial fractions for me, can't be bothered typing them out and they're fairly easy to integrate upon recognition)

13(2u3)(1+u2)du=2ln(2u3)ln(u2+1)3arctanu+C1\displaystyle \int \frac{13}{(2u-3)(1+u^2)} \, \mathrm{d}u = 2 \ln (2u -3) - \ln (u^2 + 1) - 3 \arctan u + \mathcal{C}_1

Putting everything together, we get 6x3x+2ln(2tanx3)ln(sec2x)=3x+2ln(3cosx2sinx)+C2\displaystyle 6x -3x + 2 \ln (2 \tan x - 3) - \ln (\sec^2 x) = 3x + 2 \ln (3\cos x - 2 \sin x) + \mathcal{C}_2
Reply 2
Original post by Zacken
Lemma: 12u52u3=6(2u3)2u3+1852u3=6+132u3\displaystyle \frac{12u - 5}{2u-3} = \frac{6(2u - 3)}{2u - 3} + \frac{18-5}{2u-3} = 6 + \frac{13}{2u-3}

Divide the numerator and denominator of the integrand by cosx\cos x to get

12u52u3dx=6+132tanx3dx\displaystyle \int \frac{12u - 5}{2u-3} \, \mathrm{d}x = \int 6 + \frac{13}{2 \tan x - 3} \, \mathrm{d}x (can't be bothered with all the tan x's.

This gets you 6x+13dx2tanx3+C0\displaystyle 6x + 13\int \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{2 \tan x - 3} + \mathcal{C}_0

Focusing on the above integral a sub of u=tanxu = \tan x looks promising (I'm doing this as I type. :tongue: )

du=sec2x=1+tan2x=1+u2\displaystyle \mathrm{d}u = \sec^2 x = 1 + \tan^2 x = 1 + u^2

So 132u3dxdudu=13(2u3)(1+u2)\displaystyle \int \frac{13}{2u - 3} \, \frac{\mathrm{dx}}{{\mathrm{d}u}} \, \mathrm{d}u = \int \frac{13}{(2u -3)(1+u^2)} (using W.A to do the partial fractions for me, can't be bothered typing them out and they're fairly easy to integrate upon recognition)

13(2u3)(1+u2)du=2ln(2u3)ln(u2+1)3arctanu+C1\displaystyle \int \frac{13}{(2u-3)(1+u^2)} \, \mathrm{d}u = 2 \ln (2u -3) - \ln (u^2 + 1) - 3 \arctan u + \mathcal{C}_1

Putting everything together, we get 6x3x+2ln(2tanx3)ln(sec2x)=3x+2ln(3cosx2sinx)+C2\displaystyle 6x -3x + 2 \ln (2 \tan x - 3) - \ln (\sec^2 x) = 3x + 2 \ln (3\cos x - 2 \sin x) + \mathcal{C}_2


That is the correct answer but there is a much simpler method
Reply 3
Original post by TeeEm
That is the correct answer but there is a much simpler method


I'm sure there is, my way was just brute forcing it after being so mathematically tired out, it's 2 am. :rofl:

Can you give me any hints for the nice way? Is it considering two different integrals and adding/subtracting?
Reply 4
Original post by Zacken
I'm sure there is, my way was just brute forcing it after being so mathematically tired out, it's 2 am. :rofl:

Can you give me any hints for the nice way? Is it considering two different integrals and adding/subtracting?




Hint

Algebraic manipulation

Aren't you surprised how nice it worked?
That is a clue.

Take the machine apart and see how it works


I will give you a merit for your attempt given it is 2 am...
(by the way I got married in Mauritious in the Grand Gaube Hotel if it still exists, back in 1992)
Reply 5
Original post by TeeEm

(by the way I got married in Mauritious in the Grand Gaube Hotel if it still exists, back in 1992)


No way?! That is so cool! :biggrin: I don't meet many people who even know of Mauritius. :tongue:

How did you find it? :-)
Reply 6
Original post by Zacken




Can you give me any hints for the nice way? Is it considering two different integrals and adding/subtracting?


even for the adding and subtracting this is not a natural method unless you are given a clue (in my opinion) such as asking for both integrals

this is how I do the integral in the other thread

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this might give you more clues
Reply 7
Original post by TeeEm
even for the adding and subtracting this is not a natural method unless you are given a clue (in my opinion) such as asking for both integrals

this is how I do the integral in the other thread

this might give you more clues


I can almost see it, you get 3+2cosx3sinx3cosx+2sinxdx\int 3 + \frac{2 \cos x - 3\sin x}{3 \cos x + 2 \sin x} \, \mathrm{d}x, right?
Reply 8
Original post by Zacken
I can almost see it, you get 3+2cosx3sinx3cosx+2sinxdx\int 3 + \frac{2 \cos x - 3\sin x}{3 \cos x + 2 \sin x} \, \mathrm{d}x, right?


indeed
Reply 9
Original post by TeeEm
indeed


Great, thanks! :biggrin:

There's another equation amenable to the same trick, something with sech x but I can't recall it right now and I'm heading to bed. :-)
Reply 10
Original post by Zacken
Great, thanks! :biggrin:

There's another equation amenable to the same trick, something with sech x but I can't recall it right now and I'm heading to bed. :-)


goodnight
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