There are Muslim Extremists and Secular Extremists

God damn west trying to impose its dont enslave, behead people and rape kids rules and mantra. The west and Isis are both sides of the same coin!

They bloody did it to the Nazis too!

That's what I mean, you are absolutely convinced that because you have the "Universal Values" any intrusion into other countries is justified. It was that attitude that started the war. In fact its that attitude that starts all wars.

The western world's values of democracy, freedom and humanism can't really be equated to the depravity we see in the Middle East.

Sometimes war is the lesser evil. Are you foreal?!

If you saw a man raping a women in the street, would you call the police / intervene or walk on by?

You missed the point. No matter how worthy you believe yourself to be it does not mean that it is right to poke about in other people's cultures by imposing dictators, military bases and trade agreements. Such behaviour terminates your sainthood.

Another apologist for extremism and terror. I look forward to the continuing divide in Europe between you left wing lot and the rest of us

In a foreign country I would get the rapist to desist and inform the foreign police, I would not agitate for an invasion because I think I am so holy. That would be like being a member of ISIS...

That's not secular extremisms though. That's machiavellian and callous foreign policy

Wanting to promote the values groups like ISIS can be desribed as Muslim extremism. But wanting to promote Western values cannot be seen as secular extremism, because there is nothing extreme about those values.

Why do you feel justified in preventing that man being allowed to rape but believe a country is not justified to intervene and prevent a country that practices rape en masse?

Many, perhaps most, modern countries occurred because people wanted their own culture. The Netherlands split from the Holy Roman/Habsburg Empire because they wanted to be protestant, the French because they wanted to be French etc. Just because you have a list of "Universal Values" does not entitle you to shut down all possibility of dissent.

You didnt answer the question

The question was about rape. I answered that one earlier, its for the foreign police to deal with it according to their culture. Be clear that when other people are having wars it is always possible to be morally outraged. War is a moral outrage. This does not justify joining in.

No you ignore this question:

"Why do you feel justified in preventing that man being allowed to rape but believe a country is not justified to intervene and prevent a country that practices rape en masse?"

Its important you answer it if I am to understand your position

I am caught in the crossfire of the battle between ISIS and the "West" .

The secular extremists believe that, as Obama said, they have the "Universal Values". This group call themselves the "West" although there is no such country. Al Qaeda started the war because the Universal Values were being introduced all over the Middle East, and this created trouble in Saudi Arabia. Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi religious policeman (and wealthy member of the Bin Laden family) who swore to stop the "West", with bloodshed if necessary. Successors such as those who call themselves Islamic State (although they have no state) are just pursuing the same agenda.

I have no truck with either set of extremists. People should be able to lead the lives they desire in their own countries.

The secular extremists are just another "lets rule the world" group of maniacs. They are using economic and media power to conquer, creating the European Union, TTIP, global government etc. They are scum because they are depriving those who want to be diverse of their nation states. The muslims are no better, they want a Caliphate, which is the same idea. Its a shame that they have to fight all over my favourite world.

Must be a difficult tight rope to walk. I can see how you'd be confused and aren't quite sure which side to fall in with. It's a toughy.

That's what I mean, you are absolutely convinced that because you have the "Universal Values" any intrusion into other countries is justified. It was that attitude that started the war. In fact its that attitude that starts all wars.