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    http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/charedi-...a-youth-bulge/

    Britain’s Charedi community has criticised a “flawed” report by Jewish sociologists which argues that conditions are “ripe for social unrest” in the Orthodox community after a population boom, writes Stephen Oryszczuk.

    Ultra-Orthodox leaders took aim at the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) study called Strictly Orthodox Rising, published today, citing “astonishing assertions wholly out of sync with facts on the ground”.

    Sociologists Daniel Staetsky and Jonathan Boyd have warned against a “youth bulge” in the Charedi community, which they said had doubled between 1990 and 2010, as measured by census data. Almost a third of the adult population is now aged between 15 and 24, they say, and by 2031, half of all Jewish babies born in the UK will be strictly Orthodox.

    The authors said this “extraordinary” demographic growth meant the chance of tension had grown considerably, because the risk of social unrest increases significantly when 30 to 35 percent of adults are aged between 15 and 24. Warning community leaders to take note, they said: “Although the precise form and timing of events cannot be predicted, the demographic dynamic of this community is conducive to the outbreak of social unrest.”

    In a rare rebuttal, Charedi representatives, including Stamford Hill’s Rabbi Avroham Pinter and Interlink Foundation’s Joel Friedman, said elements of the report were “malicious” and “threatening.”

    “We reject completely the relevance or usefulness of the commentary about the Charedi ‘youth bulge,’ and we are concerned about possible malicious uses of these aspects of the report,” they said. “We regret that the JPR did not seek to cooperate with us on producing this report, as reporting on any population without seeking to sense-check with people working on the ground is bound to throw up problems.”

    The remarks evidence deep mistrust between the researchers and the community they have been studying, with disagreements over the report’s methodology, terminology, interpretation and conclusions.

    Pinter and Friedman hit back at the “reprehensible” conclusion, saying: “Whatever economic issues face the Charedi community… they have never remotely been linked to social and political unrest and criminality.

    “Antisocial or criminal behaviour by young people is isolated and marginal, and even then is substantially less severe than in the wider public. To raise concerns about social unrest and criminality is bizarre and pejorative. It is also irresponsible as this could well be picked up and abused by hostile forces.”

    The authors say the “dramatic demographic change” over a relatively short period “has potentially enormous implications for British Jewish communal life, its structures and needs,” adding: “Conditions are ripe for unrest.” The strictly Orthodox and mainstream or secular Jews are “two sub-populations” that rarely overlap, they say, and can often be differentiated by their religious life, appearance, postcode, economic circumstances and patterns of fertility.

    As a result, they have “different age structures, with the strictly Orthodox population significantly younger and growing at a faster rate”. Jewish policy-makers say they already work with the Charedi community. “We’ve understood for some time that improved structures for engagement are vital,” said Sophie Dunoff, public affairs officer at the Board of Deputies. “JPR’s welcome report supports the notion that it is even more important for the mainstream community to develop increasingly strong links with its members and organisations.”

    Staetsky and Boyd say the strictly Orthodox community is growing at 24 times faster than that of Western Europe, compared with the non – and that both religious leaders and policy-makers will need to react to the findings. “The Jewish world is changing at breakneck speed, and these trends will radically change British Jewry,” said Senior Reform Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, who cautioned that change was urgently needed.

    “At their present size – and with our current donations capacity – our welfare structure and institutions would buckle,” she warned. “We have to start planning for these changes now and address issues of education, charity, housing, poverty, Israel advocacy and fighting anti-Semitism.” Analysts predict that in 35 years’ time half of world Jewry will be strictly Orthodox.
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    Give them a nice plot of land at the West Bank.
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    What sort of social unrest do they mean?


    Will the Haredim start imposing Jewish laws on British citizens, release videos of them beheading them? I don't don't think so


    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    Give them a nice plot of land at the West Bank.

    This thread is such an obvious attempt at deflection it's unreal. Even though Haredi Jews are often poorer and less engaged in things which are perhaps considered useful in the wider sense (academia, commerce) than secular Jews, they are highly unlikely to cause any problems for Britain.
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    (Original post by The Rad Army)
    What sort of social unrest do they mean?


    Will the Haredim start imposing Jewish laws on British citizens, release videos of them beheading them? I don't don't think so
    There actually is a Jewish version of Sharia Law that exists. Also speaking from personal experience Haredi Jews are very volatile towards outsiders. I live in the North East not far from a borough in Gateshead called Bensham. Bensham is home to a massive Orthodox Jew population and they aren't very nice towards the "goyim". My nana's doctor happens to be on the edge of Bensham so while she was in seeing the doctor I just sat in the car and waited. I heard a knock on the window and I see 6 Jewish men standing there staring at me. One of them asked why I was there and I explained, they told me I should leave. They aren't as soft as people think, they're the ones who are stabbing Muslims who move onto their turf in Israel and they're a massive problem rapidly multiplying. Each Woman has at least 6 children each and the unemployment rates are extremely high for the community meaning they're very dependant on the people they dislike. This may be a rumour but I've heard that the women off the house have to leave when they're on their period a they are seen as unclean. They aren't getting any better either.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    There actually is a Jewish version of Sharia Law that exists. Also speaking from personal experience Haredi Jews are very volatile towards outsiders. I live in the North East not far from a borough in Gateshead called Bensham. Bensham is home to a massive Orthodox Jew population and they aren't very nice towards the "goyim". My nana's doctor happens to be on the edge of Bensham so while she was in seeing the doctor I just sat in the car and waited. I heard a knock on the window and I see 6 Jewish men standing there staring at me. One of them asked why I was there and I explained, they told me I should leave. They aren't as soft as people think, they're the ones who are stabbing Muslims who move onto their turf in Israel and they're a massive problem rapidly multiplying. Each Woman has at least 6 children each and the unemployment rates are extremely high for the community meaning they're very dependant on the people they dislike. This may be a rumour but I've heard that the women off the house have to leave when they're on their period a they are seen as unclean. They aren't getting any better either.
    The Halacha, but that only applies to Jews and not Gentiles which is the key difference.


    They can be a bit rude and really could pay a bit more tax if they worked harder in actual jobs, but they are more insular than imperialistic and that's why I don't think Brits need worry.


    Women are treated badly I can't deny it, but again this is more an internal issue rather than something which will come back to bite the British public in the future.
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    (Original post by MrKmas508)
    There actually is a Jewish version of Sharia Law that exists. Also speaking from personal experience Haredi Jews are very volatile towards outsiders. I live in the North East not far from a borough in Gateshead called Bensham. Bensham is home to a massive Orthodox Jew population and they aren't very nice towards the "goyim". My nana's doctor happens to be on the edge of Bensham so while she was in seeing the doctor I just sat in the car and waited. I heard a knock on the window and I see 6 Jewish men standing there staring at me. One of them asked why I was there and I explained, they told me I should leave. They aren't as soft as people think, they're the ones who are stabbing Muslims who move onto their turf in Israel and they're a massive problem rapidly multiplying. Each Woman has at least 6 children each and the unemployment rates are extremely high for the community meaning they're very dependant on the people they dislike. This may be a rumour but I've heard that the women off the house have to leave when they're on their period a they are seen as unclean. They aren't getting any better either.
    I bet they don't go killing innocent civilians in order to enforce it on others though. That's the difference.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I bet they don't go killing innocent civilians in order to enforce it on others though. That's the difference.
    I really don't understand what they meant by social unrest. The haredim cause problems in Israel with their constant whining, lack of tax receipts and getting out of military service, but I don't see what they're gonna do in this country to destabilize things
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    (Original post by The Rad Army)
    I really don't understand what they meant by social unrest. The haredim cause problems in Israel with their constant whining, lack of tax receipts and getting out of military service, but I don't see what they're gonna do in this country to destabilize things
    Have they ever hijacked aircraft?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Have they ever hijacked aircraft?
    The worst you'll get from them is some guy putting himself in a plastic bag to avoid fumes from a crematorium


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3064473.html


    Lovable eccentrics really
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    tbh i would be delighted to have Jewish neighbors. These hard working people form very stable communities; they do not waste their lives on benefits wearing trackies. When did you last see a Jewish woman on Jeremy Kyle ? ( on his show i mean ).
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    (Original post by The Rad Army)
    The Halacha, but that only applies to Jews and not Gentiles which is the key difference.


    They can be a bit rude and really could pay a bit more tax if they worked harder in actual jobs, but they are more insular than imperialistic and that's why I don't think Brits need worry.


    Women are treated badly I can't deny it, but again this is more an internal issue rather than something which will come back to bite the British public in the future.
    I agree with you that they aren't as bad as Muslims in the respect that they don't really care with the "other" get up to. But my main issue is that most Haredi Jews don't work and that in the long term this problem needs to be adresssed or else there communities could be financial burdens to the UK and this would lead to resentment from the populace, there needs to be a way to also the Haredi to continue there way of life while still prospering financially. The women are as much a victim of their way of life as the men so I'm not making this a feminist issue, I'm sure the period thing isn't that common. There is a problem but it's just about money tbh.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I bet they don't go killing innocent civilians in order to enforce it on others though. That's the difference.
    I know, they're not as bad as Muslims but to be honest that's quite a low bar your setting there.
 
 
 
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