MPs block school first aid training bill by talking non stop

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A bill wanting to bring first aid training into schools has been blocked by MPs talking non stop until time ran out. The bill never got a vote.

Conservative MP Philip Davies gave a 50 minute speech and came to the debate with pages of notes. A Conservative education minister did something similar, along with a few other MPs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6742251.html
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It's called filibustering. And what's wrong with that?
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That's appalling. I bet they'd change their opinion if they went to a school to give a talk. And had a heart attack. And no-one there knew how to give CPR.
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That's appalling. I bet they'd change their opinion if they went to a school to give a talk. And had a heart attack. And no-one there knew how to give CPR.
All schools have trained first-aiders on site. That's a ridiculous argument.
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It's called filibustering. And what's wrong with that?
If you oppose a bill, vote against it. Don't talk absolute rubbish for ages to stop the vote from even happening, which is basically an abuse of the democratic process.

It has also happened for bills about removing hospital car parking charges, and cheaper drugs for patients. It's one thing for a vote to be held and for it to fail, but deliberately talking nonstop to stop the vote from even happening just because you oppose the bill is a very scummy thing to do.
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All schools have trained first-aiders on site. That's a ridiculous argument.
:rolleyes: How many first aiders are there in your house? In your car? On your bus? When you go on holiday?
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That's appalling. I bet they'd change their opinion if they went to a school to give a talk. And had a heart attack. And no-one there knew how to give CPR.
If you have a heart attack and need CPR you've got about a 1 in 100 chance of surviving.
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:rolleyes: How many first aiders are there in your house? In your car? On your bus? When you go on holiday?
That's not what you said.

You said:

"That's appalling. I bet they'd change their opinion if they went to a school to give a talk. And had a heart attack. And no-one there knew how to give CPR."

The point I was making was that this is a weak argument, because it would never happen. Every school has multiple first-aiders, so if a politician were to have a heart attack in a school there would be plenty of people there who would know how to deal with it.

(Also, in my house, my car, on my bus and when I'm on holiday there is always at least one first-aider present: me!)
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Didn't this happen a few weeks ago with another bill? I can't understand how it's legal or fair to do this.

-Ends post like the typical tsr user- "THE GODDAMN RIGHT WINGERS!!!""""2".
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(Original post by RF_PineMarten)
If you oppose a bill, vote against it. Don't talk absolute rubbish for ages to stop the vote from even happening, which is basically an abuse of the democratic process.

It has also happened for bills about removing hospital car parking charges, and cheaper drugs for patients. It's one thing for a vote to be held and for it to fail, but deliberately talking nonstop to stop the vote from even happening just because you oppose the bill is a very scummy thing to do.
It works both ways pal.
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That fact you can actually do that is a joke.

Our democracy is open to bug exploits *roles eyes*

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If you have a heart attack and need CPR you've got about a 1 in 100 chance of surviving.
You got a 0 out fo 100 chance if you just do nothing. Maybe you should inform all first aid trainers not to teach their pupils CPR?

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It works both ways pal.
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There is now an e-petition to get this process stopped.. Link.

Reform the rules on filibustering or 'talking a bill to death'.
Philip Davies MP spoke for 90 minutes during a debate on free hospital parking for carers, wasting time so a vote could not take place and the Bill be blocked.
Tenant rights have also been affected in this manner.
Such a tactic is archaic, repugnant, and has no place in a modern parliament.Lowering the number of MPs needed to win a vote on a motion for closure, or limiting the length of speeches in certain sessions, would be options for reform worth considering.
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There is now an e-petition to get this process stopped.. Link.

Reform the rules on filibustering or 'talking a bill to death'.
Philip Davies MP spoke for 90 minutes during a debate on free hospital parking for carers, wasting time so a vote could not take place and the Bill be blocked.
Tenant rights have also been affected in this manner.
Such a tactic is archaic, repugnant, and has no place in a modern parliament.Lowering the number of MPs needed to win a vote on a motion for closure, or limiting the length of speeches in certain sessions, would be options for reform worth considering.
That says everything about the Tory mindset. Carers are already one of the most poorly paid professions (especially if the carer is a family member, in that case they get measly benefits) for the amount of work they do.
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That says everything about the Tory mindset. Carers are already one of the most poorly paid professions (especially if the carer is a family member, in that case they get measly benefits) for the amount of work they do.
I think every school child in the UK should be able to strip down a car engine and rebuild it.
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You got a 0 out fo 100 chance if you just do nothing.
It's not quite as harsh as 0% as long as the ambulance staff get there in a reasonable time.
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(Original post by RF_PineMarten)
A bill wanting to bring first aid training into schools has been blocked by MPs talking non stop until time ran out. The bill never got a vote.

Tory MP Philip Davies gave a 50 minute speech and came to the debate with pages of notes. A Conservative education minister did something similar, along with a few other MPs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6742251.html
The debate is (and should have actually gone on to be debated) about whether schools should be teaching children general life skills or purely focusing on academic subjects.

It's easy to pick out an isolated thing like this, but then why are we not also teaching children about the 100 and 1 other life skills they are far more likely to need than this?

Personally I think basic CPR & First Aid should be taught in a very limited capacity in schools. It would only take an hour and I remember wasting far more time than that each year dressing the classrooms up for Christmas.
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That's not what you said.

You said:

"That's appalling. I bet they'd change their opinion if they went to a school to give a talk. And had a heart attack. And no-one there knew how to give CPR."

The point I was making was that this is a weak argument, because it would never happen. Every school has multiple first-aiders, so if a politician were to have a heart attack in a school there would be plenty of people there who would know how to deal with it.

(Also, in my house, my car, on my bus and when I'm on holiday there is always at least one first-aider present: me!)
My original point was meant to highlight a potential extreme outcome, not make a specific argument. I guess it didn't come over as that.

As a qualified first aid instructor I applaud any efforts to raise awareness and training, but the filibustering directly stopped that.
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The debate is (and should have actually gone on to be debated) about whether schools should be teaching children general life skills or purely focusing on academic subjects.
Many years ago, when I left school and the few years after, I got a shock.
  • Nobody had taught us how to construct a CV.
  • Nobody had taught us what to do in an interview.
  • Nobody had taught us any first aid.
  • Nobody had taught us how to search for a job (although that was easier then).
  • Nobody had taught us about higher / further education or what a PhD is.
  • Nobody had taught us how to read and check a payslip.
  • Nobody had taught us how to balance a household budget.
I thought "Why wasn't there a mandatory Life Skills O Level?" (it was that long ago).

We would not have all learned everything, but most of us would have learned something. In any group of mates in the pub, one of them could read the payslips, another know about consumer rights, another know about employment rights, another know what the councillors, MPs and MEPs are for and what they can do for us.

Wouldn't it be worth teaching this stuff for an hour a week?

Edit: incidentally, the school I went to had the 2nd highest academic record in Greater London at the time.
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Wouldn't be worth teaching this stuff for an hour a week?
I agree.

I'm too old to have been around when they introduced the Citizenship lessons, but wasn't the intention for those lessons to teach these highlighted life skills?
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That says everything about the Tory mindset. Carers are already one of the most poorly paid professions (especially if the carer is a family member, in that case they get measly benefits) for the amount of work they do.
I'm pretty sure he had reasons for doing so, something like if carers got free parking, then the prices would have to increase for everyone else.
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