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I have a theory...I know it sounds a bit crazy but I think that homophobia and gender roles are a form of social control to stop revolution....Why are all mainstream religions homophobic? Why are most animals bisexual? I think that there is something about truly accepting homosexuality that messes up society...What do you guys think???
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all mainstream religions have the same god nd that God doesn't like homosexuality. Gender roles come from human nature nd evolution they aren't a bad thing the bad thing is when ppl force gender roles or think not adhering to gender roles is wrong. Most animals r bisexual? Where did u read that?
And why would this stop revolution cus it only gives more reason 2 revolt
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all mainstream religions have the same god nd that God doesn't like homosexuality. Gender roles come from human nature nd evolution they aren't a bad thing the bad thing is when ppl force gender roles or think not adhering to gender roles is wrong. Most animals r bisexual? Where did u read that?
And why would this stop revolution cus it only gives more reason 2 revolt
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The god your talking about is created by man...organised religion is designed to control people that live in mass society...ie since people stopped being nomadic and settled down...obviously there was religion before but it had a different role..your right in that there have always been gender roles but for example women have only been oppressed since the birth of the nuclear family...ok look at bonobos (pygmy chimps) for example...it would stop it because people may be walking on eggshells around the topic...
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I have a theory...I know it sounds a bit crazy but I think that homophobia and gender roles are a form of social control to stop revolution....Why are all mainstream religions homophobic? Why are most animals bisexual? I think that there is something about truly accepting homosexuality that messes up society...What do you guys think???
Your comment is kinda confusing. Firstly, all religions impose social control. this is evident through various practices and beliefs within many religions. so yes religions may say that being gay is wrong. However this does not really have such a massive effect on society in general. Why? because we live in a secular society. On the other hand gender roles are accepted by a massive part of society. That is hugely restrictive and can actually stop revolution, as a mass majority of women are socialised to be passive and subservient to their male counter part. I don't really know what to say about the bisexual animals parts. It just proves that bisexuality and homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality. I don't think most animals are bisexual however.
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The god your talking about is created by man...organised religion is designed to control people that live in mass society...ie since people stopped being nomadic and settled down...obviously there was religion before but it had a different role..your right in that there have always been gender roles but for example women have only been oppressed since the birth of the nuclear family...ok look at bonobos (pygmy chimps) for example...it would stop it because people may be walking on eggshells around the topic...
ppl who made religion probs thought gay was wrong cus only like 10% of ppl are gay so they thought it was wrong but obvs we've progressed from that nd our countries r secular like someone else said nd more and more countries are granting rights 4 gays like marriage n stuff
and bonobos r not all animals...
what do u mean "walking on eggshells" around the topic there r plenty of activists n groups that talk about this stuff no ones holding them back or scaring them into not speaking about it.
and nuclear families has existed since the dawn of man????
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Your comment is kinda confusing. Firstly, all religions impose social control. this is evident through various practices and beliefs within many religions. so yes religions may say that being gay is wrong. However this does not really have such a massive effect on society in general. Why? because we live in a secular society. On the other hand gender roles are accepted by a massive part of society. That is hugely restrictive and can actually stop revolution, as a mass majority of women are socialised to be passive and subservient to their male counter part. I don't really know what to say about the bisexual animals parts. It just proves that bisexuality and homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality. I don't think most animals are bisexual however.
Yes we have only lived in a secular society for slightly over 100 years which is the blink of an eye...and the point you make about socialising women to be passive (and how this might be a barrier to revolution) is very similar as to what I mean in regards to homosexuality and gender roles...I think its linked to labels and indentity...LOL your final point about bisexuality is exactly what I'm saying....
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ppl who made religion probs thought gay was wrong cus only like 10% of ppl are gay so they thought it was wrong but obvs we've progressed from that nd our countries r secular like someone else said nd more and more countries are granting rights 4 gays like marriage n stuff
and bonobos r not all animals...
what do u mean "walking on eggshells" around the topic there r plenty of activists n groups that talk about this stuff no ones holding them back or scaring them into not speaking about it.
and nuclear families has existed since the dawn of man????
Well ok why would a religion execute someone just because they are homosexual? What is so morally wrong about it? Imo a gay man or woman buying into marriage is a hypocrite because they're buying into a system that hates them...I understand they want to express there love for each other etc...By walking on egg shells I mean for example a lot of academics don't like studying homosexuality because of stigma (correct me if I'm wrong? And no we have not always lived in nuclear families. That arrived with the birth civilisation...nomadic hunter gatheres were primitive communists...everything was shared between the group..it was a very different kind of family if you could even call it that...
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I have a theory...I know it sounds a bit crazy but I think that homophobia and gender roles are a form of social control to stop revolution....Why are all mainstream religions homophobic? Why are most animals bisexual? I think that there is something about truly accepting homosexuality that messes up society...What do you guys think???
I think your theory has a correlation but the "evidence" doesn't point at one conclusion...

For starters, the main reason religions say homophobia is bad is because religions are like a virus, they have to spread to stay alive and that means having kids and raising them as your religion instructed. If your homosexual you can't have kids now can you? so the religion wants to get rid of you ASAP.

Also, I don't know what you meant by "most animals are bisexual" because that's definitely false unless you mean "most species of animals can be bisexual", cases of animal homosexuality and bisexuality is a regular occurrence, probably quite common but it definitely doesn't count for "most" of the animal population.

And finally, homosexuals face a lot of scrutiny simply because they're different. Everyone who is different from the rest is likely to get picked on, it's childish behaviour I know but it's the world we live in.
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Well ok why would a religion execute someone just because they are homosexual? What is so morally wrong about it? Imo a gay man or woman buying into marriage is a hypocrite because they're buying into a system that hates them...I understand they want to express there love for each other etc...By walking on egg shells I mean for example a lot of academics don't like studying homosexuality because of stigma (correct me if I'm wrong? And no we have not always lived in nuclear families. That arrived with the birth civilisation...nomadic hunter gatheres were primitive communists...everything was shared between the group..it was a very different kind of family if you could even call it that...
ok im guessing that happens in saudi arabia or summat and they execute someone bc it says in their relegious book that its against god or whatever. a lot of ppl nowadays doing marriage arent doing it 4 religious reasons but more for to show commitment nd the bible is contradictory cus it does also say love one another nd that includes homos so we have started 2 do this and ignore the bad verses in the bible.
and how did the beginning of nuclear families mark the beginning of womens oppression?
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I have a theory...I know it sounds a bit crazy but I think that homophobia and gender roles are a form of social control to stop revolution....Why are all mainstream religions homophobic? Why are most animals bisexual? I think that there is something about truly accepting homosexuality that messes up society...What do you guys think???
Thanks for seeming to set a trend to talk like that -.- (with one follower so far.) It's painful to the eyes.

Are you trolling?

Also, if you actually want proper responses, talk properly, I'm not deciphering that to make a coherent reply.

Also, to stop a revolution of what? Against what/whom?

And how would truly accepting homosexuality mess up society? Or is it just a hunch?

Oops, in the end I did make a coherent reply.

Yep, you're tolling, having just looked at your latest reply; no one making a reply like that spells that bad.
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Since when are animals bisexual...?
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I think your theory has a correlation but the "evidence" doesn't point at one conclusion...

For starters, the main reason religions say homophobia is bad is because religions are like a virus, they have to spread to stay alive and that means having kids and raising them as your religion instructed. If your homosexual you can't have kids now can you? so the religion wants to get rid of you ASAP.

Also, I don't know what you meant by "most animals are bisexual" because that's definitely false unless you mean "most species of animals can be bisexual", cases of animal homosexuality and bisexuality is a regular occurrence, probably quite common but it definitely doesn't count for "most" of the animal population.

And finally, homosexuals face a lot of scrutiny simply because they're different. Everyone who is different from the rest is likely to get picked on, it's childish behaviour I know but it's the world we live in.
I don't think organised religion has been around long enough for evolutionary biology concepts that maximise fitness to be beneficial for them...imo they are really just there to be a form of social control...ie your suffering will be rewarded in heaven etc...Also the point im trying to make is that everyone has the potential to be bisexual and even if someone if purely homosexual doesn't mean they can't have kids...
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Thanks for seeming to set a trend to talk like that -.- (with one follower so far.) It's painful to the eyes.

Are you trolling?

Also, if you actually want proper responses, talk properly, I'm not deciphering that to make a coherent reply.

Also, to stop a revolution of what? Against what/whom?

And how would truly accepting homosexuality mess up society? Or is it just a hunch?

Oops, in the end I did make a coherent reply.

Yep, you're tolling, having just looked at your latest reply; no one making a reply like that spells that bad.
Lol I'm not trolling, a revolution against oppression of all forms...And yh it is a hunch but I can't think of another reason why religions hate it so much (obviously not nowadays)...butttt....
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