Oh yeh, of course you just assume that it's Muslims. What about all the other religious groups committing huge terrorist attacks around the world, almost every day?
No. Buddhists are a peace loving people and would never engage in such action against innocent people. In any case their are probably very few if any Buddhists living in Tunisia or Libya and what reason would they have to launch attacks in Tunisia, because they don't have any enemies there?
A bus of the presidential guard has just exploded in Tunis.
15 guards dead so far.
I think we can clearly say that tourism is dead in Tunisia now. Who in their right mind is gonna visit a country occupied by The Daesh? 30 killed at the museum, 38 killed on a beach 15 killed yesterday. That's 83 dead in less than 12 months. You'd have to have a death wish to holiday there!
No. Buddhists are a peace loving people and would never engage in such action against innocent people. In any case their are probably very few if any Buddhists living in Tunisia or Libya and what reason would they have to launch attacks in Tunisia, because they don't have any enemies there?
I think we can clearly say that tourism is dead in Tunisia now. Who in their right mind is gonna visit a country occupied by The Daesh? 30 killed at the museum, 38 killed on a beach 15 killed yesterday. That's 83 dead in less than 12 months. You'd have to have a death wish to holiday there!
Which is what they want. Without tourism, many people will find it hard making ends meet, which will provide more grist for the ISIS mill. It's no coincidence that Tunisia is the most progressive of all the North African Islamic states.
They may be barbarians, but they're not stupid (in the context of what they believe, obviously)
I think we can clearly say that tourism is dead in Tunisia now. Who in their right mind is gonna visit a country occupied by The Daesh? 30 killed at the museum, 38 killed on a beach 15 killed yesterday. That's 83 dead in less than 12 months. You'd have to have a death wish to holiday there!
In 2013 there were more than 6 million tourists to Tunisia. 2014 numbers are probably similar if not higher. Obviously 2015 numbers would be down because of a series of attacks this year.
But lets just take the 68 tourists killed in Tunisia (the attack this week was against the institutions of the state, not tourists) against 6 million.
That's around 1 death in 100,000 of tourists. Hardly a death wish. And as another poster pointed out, avoiding Tunisia because of the risk (very very small one) of terrorism is letting the terrorists win. It drives down the economy, pushes more people into desperation and poverty, which undermines the democratic state and drives them into the arms of extremists. So not only will there be more young men now without jobs and more vulnerable to extremist messages, but there will be more people seeking a better life in Europe.
In 2013 there were more than 6 million tourists to Tunisia. 2014 numbers are probably similar if not higher. Obviously 2015 numbers would be down because of a series of attacks this year.
But lets just take the 68 tourists killed in Tunisia (the attack this week was against the institutions of the state, not tourists) against 6 million.
That's around 1 death in 100,000 of tourists. Hardly a death wish. And as another poster pointed out, avoiding Tunisia because of the risk (very very small one) of terrorism is letting the terrorists win. It drives down the economy, pushes more people into desperation and poverty, which undermines the democratic state and drives them into the arms of extremists. So not only will there be more young men now without jobs and more vulnerable to extremist messages, but there will be more people seeking a better life in Europe.
1) Ok probably the chances of another beach or hotel massacre happening again isn't any higher than it was in 2015, but there are other ways the Daesh can attack tourists, one of them is kidnapping for ransom and that's what the Daesh do best.
Also the massacre just last week in a hotel in Mali.
To bundle some tourists into a van and take them to a remote location with threat of beheadings, burning alive or buried alive unless a ransom is paid would be certain death as our government refuses to pay ransoms. Then there is the chance of another Egyptian style plane bombing, shooting down tourist planes etc. hijacking the bus to and from airports etc.
Basically there are plenty of far safer resorts to holiday in than Tunisia. Why should people put their lives at risk to save Tunisian economy, or indeed the safety of tour reps who are forced to go there? And in any case even if hotels are fortified with armed police and soldiers, who wants to holiday surrounded by armed guards looking over their shoulders? France is far safer than Tunisia and look at what's happened there?
2) As for the economy, Tunisia might be better becoming part of Algeria or Libya and taking advantage of their oil economies, because its gonna be years before the Daesh is neutralised and tourism restored. Tunisia will become like Libya whether its independent or not.
Which is what they want. Without tourism, many people will find it hard making ends meet, which will provide more grist for the ISIS mill. It's no coincidence that Tunisia is the most progressive of all the North African Islamic states.
They may be barbarians, but they're not stupid (in the context of what they believe, obviously)
The anarchy and chaos of Libya is spreading to Tunisia. There are huge weapons hoards from the Gaddafi era that are circulating all around the region. That's what caused the hotel massacre in Mali last week.
You say that Tunisia is the most progressive of all Islamic states yet a large proportion of the Daesh in Syria and Iraq are Tunisians.
Tunisia was also the birth place of the disastrous Arab Spring and it is questionable as to whether Al Quaeda inspired the Arab Spring to get rid of tough secular leaders like Ben Ali, Gadaffi, Assad etc, creating power vacuums and war and chaos that would allow jihadists to take over like the Daesh is doing now. Of course our own moronic leaders like Cameron and Obama encouraged the Arab spring that's caused nothing but war, bloodshed, death and destruction.
Countries like Tunisia and Libya need tough leaders that keep people in order, and until new tough leaders are found places like Tunisia will descend slowly into the war and misery seen in Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Syria etc. Tourist will not save the economy.
Tunisia would be better becoming part of Libya then at least they might benefit from the oil money because tourism is dead!
1) Ok probably the chances of another beach or hotel massacre happening again isn't any higher than it was in 2015, but there are other ways the Daesh can attack tourists, one of them is kidnapping for ransom and that's what the Daesh do best.
It is exceedingly improbable that ISIS would attempt or be successful at kidnapping tourists from resorts and cities in Tunisia. Kidnapping in developed areas like coastal Tunisia would require significant manpower and operational skill, and simply would not be worth it. Remember you need to extensively scout the location and movements of both the target of the kidnap and relevant security officials to have a chance of a successful abduction, and that is before transporting and holding of those kidnapped; it's simply not going to happen in coastal Tunisia (the interior and sparse south are a different matter). If ISIS were to go down the route of kidnapping in Tunisia they would be far more likely to target individuals of higher PR value such as diplomats, politicians and officials of the state.
To bundle some tourists into a van and take them to a remote location with threat of beheadings, burning alive or buried alive unless a ransom is paid would be certain death as our government refuses to pay ransoms.
And if you think kidnapping operations work by just bundling random tourists into a van, then you obviously don't really have a clue what you are talking about.
Basically there are plenty of far safer resorts to holiday in than Tunisia. Why should people put their lives at risk to save Tunisian economy, or indeed the safety of tour reps who are forced to go there?
It seems that Islamic terrorists have got you well trained to respond to their actions like a dog to a whistle. They want you to think that there is some overwhelming danger in countries like Tunisia, when the statistics and probabilities speak for themselves that the risk is remote. The relative risk may be higher that other places, but the absolute risk is so small that it shouldn't be entering the logical decision making process.
And in any case even if hotels are fortified with armed police and soldiers, who wants to holiday surrounded by armed guards looking over their shoulders? France is far safer than Tunisia and look at what's happened there?
Exactly. By your logic, people wouldn't go anywhere, since there might a terrorist attack.
2) As for the economy, Tunisia might be better becoming part of Algeria or Libya and taking advantage of their oil economies, because its gonna be years before the Daesh is neutralised and tourism restored. Tunisia will become like Libya whether its independent or not.
I don't think I am going to dignify this tripe with a response.
and it is questionable as to whether Al Quaeda inspired the Arab Spring to get rid of tough secular leaders like Ben Ali, Gadaffi, Assad etc, creating power vacuums and war and chaos that would allow jihadists to take over like the Daesh is doing now.
Er, no. The Tunisian revolution was driven by trade unions and traditional leftist opposition, with some support from urban liberals. Subsequently in other Arab countries, Muslim Brotherhood organisations may have played a role (likely in Egypt, Syria and Yemen, unlikely in Libya), but it was often driven by urban liberals. There is no evidence whatsoever that Al Qaeda had any role, and wouldn't even have had the capacity to organise at that sort of level.
and until new tough leaders are found places like Tunisia will descend slowly into the war and misery seen in Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Syria etc. Tourist will not save the economy.
So are you saying that liberal democracy should never have a role in countries like Tunisia?