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Hoax or child prodigy?

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Reply 20
piginapoke
Well you would have thought.... so he's either being very selfish and irresponsible by not sharing or its a load of cack. Which one is your money on?


You may well have hit the nail on the head there - money :cool:
JSM
what i think he is trying to say is that you will never be able to "cure" everything, there willl always be killers as they evolve. Witness most STDs (eg syphillis), due to overtreatment with penicillin in Cambodia during the Vietnam War, by the American Army, there are penicillin resistant strains.

He was trying to say that there will always be things outside of our control that will kill us.


how exactly does cancer "evolve"?

Obviously things will kill us. We have to die some way. But saying "we can never cure HIV/AIDS or cancer" is a little different to saying "we all die somehow".

Like in the past, a lot of children died very young of diseases easily prevented or cured nowadays (who has the upper hand with smallpox?? us or "Nature"?) - if those children had been treated with modern medicine most of them would have lived to older ages - they would still have died in some way or another but would have had longer lives (and probably a better standard of living than if they had just survived the disease - e.g. stigma of smallpox scars)

Put another way, if you found out tomorrow you had cancer, would you say "Oh, we'll never "cure cancer" and i'll die of something eventually anyway" and refuse treatment, regardless of your prognosis, or would you accept the best that modern medicine has to offer?

Rosie
Reply 22
piginapoke
I suppose its a possibility that someone has a purported cure and is selling info to the highest bidder, is that what you mean?


Yeah, something like that maybe. Or the possibility of making an awful lot of money out of media deals, sponsorship and such, whether the cure exists or not. I'm just cynical :rolleyes:
Reply 23
piginapoke
I suppose its a possibility that someone has a purported cure and is selling info to the highest bidder, is that what you mean?
Patents cover this aspect very nicely. Drug companies will pay a lot of money for this kind of information.
Reply 24
slowjamz
I had found a technique to treat cancer and Aids genetically," Jaswal said.
Treating cancer genetically???

OK then...

Unless he knows one heck of a special prodecure that the medical world do not yet currently know, it is currently impossible if not illegal to do what he purposes.
Reply 25
slowjamz
Taken from ananova.com:

Indian boy, 11, says he can treat Aids and cancer

An 11-year-old Indian village boy, with an IQ of 162, claims to have treated people suffering from cancer and Aids.

Akrit Jaswal's IQ level is said to be higher than that of Albert Einstein.

Akrit, from the village of Noorpur has been helping research fellows at the Tata Cancer Research Institute in Mumbai for two months.

"There were moments when nearly 300 patients, including doctors, would be lined up to see me. I had found a technique to treat cancer and Aids genetically," Jaswal said.

He won't say what exactly he does to treat patients.

B R Rahi, chairman of the Himachal Pradesh School Education Board says: "The Gifted Development Centre in the US has confirmed Akrit's genius. We are treating this as a special case due to his extraordinary abilities."

Local newspaper reports say Jaswal's parents sold most of their property to finance foreign trips for their son. The money has also helped to establish a research laboratory in New Delhi.

Jaswal himself added: "I would like to do a doctorate in pharmaceutical chemistry and continue with my research."

I have an IQ of 162. I did my test when I was 11. Nobody ever commented that it was higher than Einstein's. That either means that I am/was also a child prodigy or this is a load of crap. There's one possibilitythat I'd like to be true and one that I think is. Guess which is which.
Reply 26
piginapoke
Well you would have thought.... so he's either being very selfish and irresponsible by not sharing or its a load of cack. Which one is your money on?


load of crack
2776
Treating cancer genetically???

OK then...

Unless he knows one heck of a special prodecure that the medical world do not yet currently know, it is currently impossible if not illegal to do what he purposes.


It depends what you mean by "genetically" though.. on my nuffield placement the lab was working on (among other things) a gene therapy for treating cancer which uses a genetically-engineered HSV to get the tumour cells pumping out lots of GM-CSF, a cytokine (I think it's a cytokine, anyway) that promotes the destruction of the cancerous cells by the patient's immune system.

So that would be treating it "genetically", in a way. (i.e. using gene therapy)

I am fairly sure that a version of this technique was tried in some patients with inoperable brain tumours with some success.

However I highly doubt he is actually doing something like this

Rosie
2776
Patents cover this aspect very nicely. Drug companies will pay a lot of money for this kind of information.

unless when they look at the information, they find it to be completely nonsensical with no suggestion that it would ever actually work.

if i started going "ooh i have cured canccr weith my amazing secret method" drug companies would not give me loads of money without looking at my "amazing method" and seeingg if there was any kind of basis to it, of that I am sure.

rosie
Reply 29
JSM
what i think he is trying to say is that you will never be able to "cure" everything, there willl always be killers as they evolve. Witness most STDs (eg syphillis), due to overtreatment with penicillin in Cambodia during the Vietnam War, by the American Army, there are penicillin resistant strains.

He was trying to say that there will always be things outside of our control that will kill us.


That is exactly what am I saying.



Ore100
Those are the words of a quitter. We can kill bacteria, we will conquer viruses in the future. I'm real optimistic about this particular topic and as far as optimism goes, I curse existence whenever I wake up in the morning and have work/ school.


Actually bacteria are resistant to the majority of antibiotics and in actual fact the world's most powerful anitbiotic does not kill some bacteria. It seems unlikely that we will conquer viruses.

crana
Right.........

I agree everyone has to die of something, but what happened to things like... TB that used to kill loads of people but is now (if it is treated properly and patient does not have conjunction with something liek HIV/AIDS) for the most part completely curable?

and what about people who have cancer and DO get cured of it, which happens now?!?!

You do talk al ot of garbage I must say.

Rosie


I don't talk a lot of garbage, thank you! A lot of diseases have been cured due to improved living conditions and hygiene. The supposed wonder drugs antibiotics are now not being readily perscribed because the medical profession realise that the majority of them are not able to kill bacteria and handing them out with just cause the bacteria to become resistant to all antibiotics.
Reply 30
tut tut, why are we jumping to conclusions?
Maybe over there cancer means fever or lice?
supreme


Actually bacteria are resistant to the majority of antibiotics and in actual fact the world's most powerful anitbiotic does not kill some bacteria. It seems unlikely that we will conquer viruses..


Well of course not all antibiotics kill all bacteria, so even the "most powerful" antibiotic is unlikely to work against every single bacterium in existence. What exactly do you mean by "bacteria are resistant to the majority of antibiotics"?

supreme

I don't talk a lot of garbage, thank you! A lot of diseases have been cured due to improved living conditions and hygiene. The supposed wonder drugs antibiotics are now not being readily perscribed because the medical profession realise that the majority of them are not able to kill bacteria and handing them out with just cause the bacteria to become resistant to all antibiotics.


I venture to disagree.

Diseases are not CURED, in general, by improved living conditions or hygiene. These measures may help to PREVENT people from getting a particular disease, but for the most part once a person has TB or a similar disease, improving their living conditions will not make them spontanously "cured".

I don't REALLY see what your fascination with antibiotics is (are you just focusing on this because you realised you were getting nowhere with cancer?). However, the reduced prescription of antibiotics is primarily a reduction in their INAPPROPRIATE prescription, i.e. for viral illnesses and similar conditions against which antibiotics are not helpful. It is not because "the majority of them are not able to kill bacteria". If they couldn't kill bacteria, they wouldn't be antibiotics.

Rosie
Reply 32
crana
Well of course not all antibiotics kill all bacteria, so even the "most powerful" antibiotic is unlikely to work against every single bacterium in existence. What exactly do you mean by "bacteria are resistant to the majority of antibiotics"?


In simple terms, the majory antibiotics are not able to destroy bacteria.


crana

I venture to disagree.

Diseases are not CURED, in general, by improved living conditions or hygiene. These measures may help to PREVENT people from getting a particular disease, but for the most part once a person has TB or a similar disease, improving their living conditions will not make them spontanously "cured".

I don't REALLY see what your fascination with antibiotics is (are you just focusing on this because you realised you were getting nowhere with cancer?). However, the reduced prescription of antibiotics is primarily a reduction in their INAPPROPRIATE prescription, i.e. for viral illnesses and similar conditions against which antibiotics are not helpful. It is not because "the majority of them are not able to kill bacteria". If they couldn't kill bacteria, they wouldn't be antibiotics.


The medical profession only weapon against disease is antibiotics. That is why cancer and aids will never be cureed.

Here is a quote from a book: "This is an increasing problem and is caused by a mutation in the bacteria which confers resistance to penicillin. Consequently non-resistant bacteria are not killed off leaving the field free for the resistant ones to reproduce passing on their resistance. This is why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe antibiotics when the patient can do without them."
supreme
In simple terms, the majory antibiotics are not able to destroy bacteria.


Well, that makes so much more sense to me than what you said before. Do you mean , say, 60% of antibiotics don't have any effects on any bacteria? or all antibiotics only kill on average 98% of the bacteria they are targeted against? or what?

supreme

The medical profession only weapon against disease is antibiotics. That is why cancer and aids will never be cureed.


WTF? Are you just messing around now?

supreme

Here is a quote from a book: "This is an increasing problem and is caused by a mutation in the bacteria which confers resistance to penicillin. Consequently non-resistant bacteria are not killed off leaving the field free for the resistant ones to reproduce passing on their resistance. This is why Doctors are reluctant to prescribe antibiotics when the patient can do without them."


How very nice.

Rosie
Reply 34
60% of antibiotics don't have any effects on any bacteria?

That would be about right :smile:

I don't understand what you mean "Are you just messing around now?" Surely if I went to the trouble of quoting from a book how am I messing around.
supreme
60% of antibiotics don't have any effects on any bacteria?

That would be about right :smile:

I don't understand what you mean "Are you just messing around now?" Surely if I went to the trouble of quoting from a book how am I messing around.


They, er, wouldn't be antibiotics if they had NO effects on ANY bacteria.

Well isn't it obvious that antibiotics aren't the only "weapon" against disease.....? What about heart disease, cancer, genetic diseases, autoimmune diseases? We have treatments for most of these (although many genetic diseases have no treatments, and I'm not saying these treatments are 100% effective) and in many cases people CAN be "cured" of their cancer, or their autoimmune disease can be managed with drugs.

Rosie