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Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace—and you can have it in the next second—surrender.

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face—that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. And what then? [Historical analogy] When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believed this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.


You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin—just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits—not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.


Ref: Ronald Reagan
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Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace—and you can have it in the next second—surrender.

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face—that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the ultimatum. [Historical analogy] And what then—when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.

You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin—just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.

You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits—not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

Ronald Regan
Well said Mr.Reagan
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except its not going to be a "fight"

Its going to be a concentrated aerial bombing campaign against a foe that may or may not be in the bombing locations but where civillians most certainly will be.

A fight would imply that those people could mount a serious defence against state of the art planes and missiles.
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except its not going to be a "fight"

Its going to be a concentrated aerial bombing campaign against a foe that may or may not be in the bombing locations but where civillians most certainly will be.

A fight would imply that those people could mount a serious defence against state of the art planes and missiles.
It is a fight. They have attacked and killed our people and our allies.

It's not possible, rather, it's probable that civilians will die. But there is no such thing as a "good" or "perfect" war. There will be more deaths if we do nothing.

I would still condone it if it was possible that my family members might be killed. In fact it is possible that they might be killed in retaliation by ISIS. However, they might still be killed in an attack even if we did not use precision airstrikes against them.

What we need to do is limit ISIS's ability to attack us, and by eliminating key ISIS targets and helping out Muslims that are fighting ISIS, we protect both ourselves and the name of Islam.

Nobody wants innocents to die. Nobody wants to kill other people. But that time is long in the past, and we need to eliminate ISIS. ISIS should have been stopped ages ago so nobody should have ever died. But they weren't.

We can't install a government by doing nothing. We can't remove the Islamists by doing nothing. Protests don't stop wars, sanctions don't stop wars especially if the perpetrators (the Syrian rebels and Assad) aren't listening and don't care.

By saying "bombing is never justified" you are ignoring the times at when bombing has been effective and caused a resolution. In fact, it is immoral and disgusting you could say such a thing. (to anyone who would, not you personally) Very few airstrikes by the USA and France have killed civilians - it is a myth that bombing = directly civilian casualties. We bomb them until there is enough pressure on them to force them at the diplomatic table. At the moment there is no pressure on them to talk, which is why they don't want to negotiate. It's down to us to make them come to that table, and that means extreme violence to put them on our terms.


Peace for some allows others to be at peace to perpetrate mass atrocities.
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By saying "bombing is never justified" you are ignoring the times at when bombing has been effective and caused a resolution. In fact, it is immoral and disgusting you could say such a thing. (to anyone who would, not you personally)
You want to take a closer look from atop that high horse bubba, and find exactly where i said bombing is never justified.

I am all for stopping ISIS with military action I am not a pacifist. I am very much against however blanket bombing where civilians will be killed/targeted/treated as collateral damage. If there is a settlement with Daesh soldiers in it then by all means flatten it.

We are supposed to be good guys, if we are to maintain any kind of moral high ground we CANNOT start blowing up innocent men, women and children. That makes us no better than them.
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You want to take a closer look from atop that high horse bubba, and find exactly where i said bombing is never justified.

I am all for stopping ISIS with military action I am not a pacifist. I am very much against however blanket bombing where civilians will be killed/targeted/treated as collateral damage. If there is a settlement with Daesh soldiers in it then by all means flatten it.

We are supposed to be good guys, if we are to maintain any kind of moral high ground we CANNOT start blowing up innocent men, women and children. That makes us no better than them.
Then join the intelligence corps of the British Army and help reduce those casualties. If you aren't a pacifist, and believe ISIS need to be destroyed then be part of that process and help reduce civilian casualties and help to sort out the legit targets from the civilian.
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