There are several universities participating in a degree apprenticeship program right now, the companies offering it are few and so competition for these places is tough.
I would like to know the pros and cons of doing a degree apprenticeship, all paid for, instead of going to a RG/Top 20 uni. How much more limited will I be if I do a Digital & Technology Solutions BSc through Aston/ Manchester Met instead of a Computer Science degree at a RG uni?
There are several universities participating in a degree apprenticeship program right now, the companies offering it are few and so competition for these places is tough.
I would like to know the pros and cons of doing a degree apprenticeship, all paid for, instead of going to a RG/Top 20 uni. How much more limited will I be if I do a Digital & Technology Solutions BSc through Aston/ Manchester Met instead of a Computer Science degree at a RG uni?
Lol, I'd take the RG/top 20 uni. There are way better places to end up than Capgemini and Manchester Met.
It's much better to leverage a good brand name, coupled with solid side projects/extra curriculars than to take what equates to indentured servitude for x number of years.
Lol, I'd take the RG/top 20 uni. There are way better places to end up than Capgemini and Manchester Met.
It's much better to leverage a good brand name, coupled with solid side projects/extra curriculars than to take what equates to indentured servitude for x number of years.
I get where your coming from - so would you think that the RG uni is justified as being worth over 60K more than the Man Met/Aston. Would you favour any degree apprenitceships? Don't really think any do partnerships with RG unis unfortunately.
I get where your coming from - so would you think that the RG uni is justified as being worth over 60K more than the Man Met/Aston. Would you favour any degree apprenitceships? Don't really think any do partnerships with RG unis unfortunately.
Yes. If you can find a better paying job, which is entirely possible if you go to a decent uni and have the extras, than the Capgemini scheme - it's absolutely worth it. That said, if you don't mind not learning the theoretical fundamentals and you really want to get stuck in right away with the practical elements of the discipline (albeit, you won't be working on interesting projects at Cap), then go for it. I just feel you could more easily benefit from learning the fundamentals, surrounding yourself with bright people, doing interesting projects and undertaking internships than you would with the scheme.
The only degree aporenticeships I would favour are the Accounting ones. They're usually done in conjuction with reputable institutions and the employers (namely the Big4) are held in quite high measure.
Yes. If you can find a better paying job, which is entirely possible if you go to a decent uni and have the extras, than the Capgemini scheme - it's absolutely worth it. That said, if you don't mind not learning the theoretical fundamentals and you really want to get stuck in right away with the practical elements of the discipline (albeit, you won't be working on interesting projects at Cap), then go for it. I just feel you could more easily benefit from learning the fundamentals, surrounding yourself with bright people, doing interesting projects and undertaking internships than you would with the scheme.
The only degree aporenticeships I would favour are the Accounting ones. They're usually done in conjuction with reputable institutions and the employers (namely the Big4) are held in quite high measure.
Would you say the same about a Degree Apprenticeship from IBM/BT/GCHQ/Llloyds, are you commenting particularly on the boringness of capgemini, haha?
In your opinion, why would an RG uni grad (with year in industry, additional internships, side projects) be less limiting in terms of future career growth compared to someone with 5 years work experience, a worse degree, at a worse university?
I thought that with a vocational disciple such as Software Engineering that the degree would only matter in getting your first job, and thereafter solely experience would count - am I wrong in thinking this, or is that the Digital & Tech solutions from MMU/Aston isn't respected/regarded very highly of by employers?
Would you say the same about a Degree Apprenticeship from IBM/BT/GCHQ/Llloyds, are you commenting particularly on the boringness of capgemini, haha?
In your opinion, why would an RG uni grad (with year in industry, additional internships, side projects) be less limiting in terms of future career growth compared to someone with 5 years work experience, a worse degree, at a worse university?
I thought that with a vocational disciple such as Software Engineering that the degree would only matter in getting your first job, and thereafter solely experience would count - am I wrong in thinking this, or is that the Digital & Tech solutions from MMU/Aston isn't respected/regarded very highly of by employers?
Mostly because of Capgem, tbh. If you can find a scheme run by an interesting employer, running in conjunction with a reputable institution - be my guest. I'd gladly take GCHQ and IBM if the work they set me is interesting enough.
It has to do with potential career trajectory. If you start off at a decent RG uni, with solid summer internships and personal projects, there is every possibility that you can land yourself into a top company right off the bat.
With the scheme, sure, you gain experience but it might not be in an area you find interesting, the degree might not teach you the proper fundamentals behind programming and CS, and the experience you gain - which, don't get me wrong, is super helpful - might not easily translate into a different area.
The key here for me is flexibility. You have all of uni to sample different courses, career paths, job roles before ultimately applying to the one that would fit you best. You don't have that flexibility with an apprenticeship scheme - the end goal for your employer is to turn you into the 'right' employee for their business, not to develop you into an independent thinker.
At the end of the day it boils down to this: 1) Flexibility 2) Experience (both educational and work related) 3) Debt vs Income 4) Type of work/Area of Focus
If you can assess whether the pros and cons for each of the above criteria weigh in favour of one over the other, I think the dilemma will become a bit clearer for you.
Just curious, what did you end up choosing and why & do you regret your decision?
I'm currently in the same position on whether I should choose to study CS at a top 20 UK university or a software engineer degree appren at a top 10 global consultancy firm where I'll be earning grad salary 28k and 2k bonus in my third year..