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    I honestly don't see why "anti-EU" is associated with "right-wing". There's nothing wrong with taking Britain out of the EU, but leaving it in the EEA, like how Switzerland and Norway are right now. And you don't see them in economic turmoil do you.
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    Does anyone else think that the UKip are more well known for having Robert Kilroy Silk as an MP than for their policies. Strikes me that they have received their fame through having a famous member of their party. Makes me think was a joke politics may turn into in this country.
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    Does anyone else think that the UKip are more well known for having Robert Kilroy Silk as an MP than for their policies. Strikes me that they have received their fame through having a famous member of their party. Makes me think was a joke politics may turn into in this country.
    That's purely a side-effect. They've never used Kilroy as a publicity tool. It just seems that that's what the media prefer to talk about.
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    Does anyone else think that the UKip are more well known for having Robert Kilroy Silk as an MP than for their policies. Strikes me that they have received their fame through having a famous member of their party. Makes me think was a joke politics may turn into in this country.
    No I think they're well known because they're one of the few parties that has a firm policy on the EU. Labour and the Tories are divided over the Union, whereas everybody knows that the UKIP is pro-withdrawal.
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    (Original post by Amb1)
    That's purely a side-effect. They've never used Kilroy as a publicity tool. It just seems that that's what the media prefer to talk about.
    i think you will find its abit of both IMO
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    I know that they have much more to them than Kilroy, but I expect that as a result of the media focusing on that man, the majority of people would mention him when asked about the UKip. I suprises me that even though people have watched him being moronic on TV every morning, and heard his "racist" comments people still vote for the party. Even though they may agree with some of the principles having someone who comes across as being as ignorant as he does on TV really shouldn't, in my opinion be representing a party politically.
    All I hope that will come good out of this is that the tories and labour will realise they have to do something different as their often middle-of-the-road policies are not swaying the public.
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    If they'd had an intelligent sounding economist as the face of their party, I'd probably have voted for them, but Kilroy gives me an impression of bumbling stupidity and racism.
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    don't get me started on them! i just had a whole debate about it in politics:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by littleredfrog)
    okay then yeah they need to be shot you cant have a racist in the EU....thats just wrong....wheres the morale???
    UKIP aren't racist.
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    Kilroy gives me an impression of bumbling stupidity and racism.
    Why?
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    (Original post by kimoni)
    really? why would anyone go from discussing politics to inane daytime TV crap?
    He was a very famous Labour MP in his day. He went into media ans started his own production company and one of his programs was Kilroy, it's made him plenty of money.
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    UKIP were well established before Kilroy joined, him and Joan COllins have just given the party extra publicity.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    He was a very famous Labour MP in his day. He went into media ans started his own production company and one of his programs was Kilroy, it's made him plenty of money.
    Maybe politics was too isolated and distant from the 'real people'. I think because of his show he knows a lot more about actual people (granted, only the ones who want to discuss their problems on national tv).
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    (Original post by Amb1)
    Maybe politics was too isolated and distant from the 'real people'. I think because of his show he knows a lot more about actual people (granted, only the ones who want to discuss their problems on national tv).
    Maybe, but the fact he was an infamous politician helped him immensely when trying to get contracts with BBC etc. for his programs.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    Maybe, but the fact he was an infamous politician helped him immensely when trying to get contracts with BBC etc. for his programs.
    Yeah, probably. So the 2 go hand in hand - he was a politician so he got to do a chatshow and get in touch with people, which in turn helped him when returning to politics. I honestly think he's a clever guy. Why does everyone keep saying he's a racist??
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    (Original post by Amb1)
    Why does everyone keep saying he's a racist??
    An article he wrote for the Express, though he maintains it wasn't racism, rather people's interpretations and some dodgy editing of his article.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    An article he wrote for the Express, though he maintains it wasn't racism, rather people's interpretations and some dodgy editing of his article.
    Is that all? :rolleyes: I don't think he's racist. I think he's quite honest.
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    (Original post by Amb1)
    Is that all? :rolleyes: I don't think he's racist. I think he's quite honest.
    So do you consider me to be a peasant, a priest or a pixie? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Amb1)
    Is that all? :rolleyes: I don't think he's racist. I think he's quite honest.
    More 'honesty' from the ma himself :rolleyes:

    The Irish. In 1992 the Daily Express apologised for printing a Kilroy column which described Ireland as a country peopled by peasants, priests and pixies. (9 Nov 1992.) He has been wary of going public on the subject ever since, though a couple of years ago his Sunday Express column included a swipe at "no-mark countries such as Belgium and Ireland" (28 Jul 2002) - "no-mark" being a favourite Kilroy expression of contempt.
    The Scots. No better than the Irish. "The Scots suffer from a bit of an inferiority complex when it comes to the English," Kilroy reveals (19 May 2002). "Scotland is dying," he adds. "Between a quarter and a third of its graduates escape every year, mostly to England!.. They cannot bear to live in their own country" (9 Mar 2003).

    Pakistanis. "Here we go again," Kilroy sighs. "The minister responsible for defining the British identity, Michael Wills, still obviously feels the need to pander to the multicultural lobby, even at the cost of making himself look ridiculous. He solemnly proclaimed: ‘The essence of being British is that you can be British and Pakistani, British and Scottish, British and Geordie.’ What a dumbhead!... Will someone please inform him that Scots are British, that Geordies are British, but that Pakistanis are not. They’re Pakistanis!" (23 Dec 2001). And Kilroy takes a dim view of the Pakistanis. "Rather than promote peace and understanding between people, the Pakistanis want to generate hate," he writes. "But then what else can we expect from Pakistan?" (7 Jul 2002)

    French. Not Kilroy’s favourite race - "devious" (2 Feb 2003), "treacherous... not to be trusted" (16 Feb 2003) and "self-regarding" (9 Mar 2003). In short, they are utterly unlike the British and Americans, who "can be relied upon to keep their word and to act with altruism to a degree that would seem foolish to the French" (13 Apr 2003).

    Germans. Kilroy finds the Germans "truculent" (2 Feb 2003). As he asks: "Is there no limit to their brazen cheek?" (13 Apr 2003).

    Russians. They are "opportunist" (2 Feb 2003) and "posturing" (9 Mar 2003). But maybe not quite as bad as the French.

    Africans. No bloody good at all. "Africa’s plight is mostly the fault of Africans," Kilroy notes (5 Oct 2003). "Most of what is good and decent in Africa has been provided by Europe and the United States."

    Iraqis. What a rabble! "They are not grateful for being liberated. They do not appreciate that the coalition forces are attempting to build a decent, democratic, civilised country. They certainly do not appear to be either able or willing to contribute to its reconstruction. Why should we put British lives on the line for this lot? They are not worth the life of one British soldier, not one. All they seem to do is moan, incessantly, about their lack of amenities" (29 Jun 2003).

    Asylum-seekers. "The barmy liberals like Diane Abbott don’t like the word ‘swamped’ when used by the Home Secretary to describe schools and GPs’ surgeries being overrun by asylum seekers who cannot speak English. What word would they prefer? Overwhelmed? Drowned? Submerged? What is the problem with using proper English words to describe an appalling situation that many British people have to put up with?" (28 Apr 2002). But Kilroy has a solution: "It is simple enough. We station paratroopers a mile from the British end of the [Channel] Tunnel.. The paras herd the immigrants together and cart them off to Dover where they are dumped on a secure slow boat to -- wherever" (17 Mar 2002).

    Black people in general. "Can we ask why whites are usually better swimmers than blacks?" Kilroy wonders (5 Jan 2003). "Can we, moreover, articulate some other, less palatable truths: that there is, for example, more racial prejudice within and between ethnic minorities in Britain than there is between the white indigenous population and immigrants? Can we acknowledge that black youths are responsible for the majority of gun and street crime and that it is they who ought therefore to be targeted without feeling the necessity to point out that the majority of burglars and conmen are white?... Yes, of course we can -- and we should." Kilroy can’t stand "pushy blacks" or "talentless blacks and Asians" (19 Aug 2001.) Or whingeing ones: "Are you fed up of some bleating blacks and Asians blaming their own failures on how their forefathers were exploited by the British Empire?... Why don’t they stop whining and get a life?" (7 Dec 2003). Not that he’s slow to defend black people when they’re genuinely oppressed: a few years ago he took up the case of a black motorist who was stopped by the police in Cheltenham. The man in question was, er, Kilroy’s chauffeur.

    Foreigners in general. Otherwise known as "parasitic foreigners" and "dodgy foreigners". (2 Dec 2001). Kilroy gets very angry if anyone blames the rise in British HIV cases on sexual promiscuity or suggests that TB might have something to do with inadequate sanitation, bad diet, poverty, etc. "The indigenous population is not responsible. The diseases are being brought here by refugees, immigrants and tourists... It is the foreigners that we have to focus on" (1 Dec 2002). And focus he does.

    Arabs. "Can everyone stop blaming the British and Americans for the fact that there are a load of thieving Arabs in Iraq?" he demands (4 May 2003). "The orgy of thieving in Iraq has more to do with the character of the people than the absence of restraining troops." So what is the Arab character? "There could be few starker demonstrations of the difference between Britain and the United States and the Arabs than the manner in which they treat their civilians and their dead," he writes (4 Jan 2004). "While the Arabs desert their dead soldiers in the desert to be buried with reverence by the Americans, we go to enormous lengths to retrieve every single body... Who says that all cultures are morally equal?" Certainly not Kilroy, who regards the Arabs as a waste of space. "Few of them make much contribution to the welfare of the rest of the world. Indeed, apart from oil -- which was discovered, is produced and is paid for by the West -- what do they contribute? Can you think of anything? Anything really useful? Anything really valuable? Something we really need, could not do without? No, nor can I."
 
 
 
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