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If humans were robots, obviously Communism :indiff: But they aren't, so Capitalism.
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If humans were robots, obviously Communism :indiff: But they aren't, so Capitalism.
Communism is fair, but doesn't conform with human nature. Capitalism is the reverse.
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Communism is fair, but doesn't conform with human nature. Capitalism is the reverse.
I was just about to congratulate william walker on saying something that's actually insightful for a change, then realised that you were someone else with a suspiciously similar avatar! :erm:
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I was just about to congratulate william walker on saying something that's actually insightful for a change, then realised that you were someone else with a suspiciously similar avatar! :erm:
No I'm certainly not him!
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Communism is fair, but doesn't conform with human nature. Capitalism is the reverse.
Why is communism fair?
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Neither. Both are inherently flawed.
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False dichotomy.
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I don't particularly recognise a great distinction between humans and robots. Both humans and robots operate according to incentives and their ability to calculate the course of action that lies most in accordance with those incentives. Humans are however individualistic, so an individualistic capitalist economic philosophy appears to work better.
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If people are getting their 'communism will never work' views from History lessons, sorry to tell you but we're being taught about communism in an incredibly biased, propaganda-fueled way (we do live in a capitalist society after all).

I don't know enough about it to fully say I'm a communist, but it IS the only ideology that benefits all of us. Just look at Cuba...
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(Original post by THCAMATH)
If humans were robots, obviously Communism :indiff: But they aren't, so Capitalism.
Only a sith deals in absolutes, you realise its not just one is right or the other, within each there are multiple ideologies and the left and right is a spectrum.
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(Original post by thehistorybore)
Communism is fair, but doesn't conform with human nature. Capitalism is the reverse.
it's also inherently flawed, there are more than 2 classes...
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Why is communism fair?
'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.' The principal (well, the Marxist principal at least) is fair, but in practice it often isn't.
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it's also inherently flawed, there are more than 2 classes...
Communism or capitalism?
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Capitalism.

Without defined and enforced private property rights our species would be woefully inefficient with much less of an incentive to innovate and compete.

Also, human nature is based around the notion that you are only truly selfless towards those with whom you have an emotional connection with. Without that connection we see time and again that our core nature pushes us to act in our own self interest.
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Communism or capitalism?
Out of the 2 only Communism assumes there are 2 classes...
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If humans were robots, obviously Communism :indiff: But they aren't, so Capitalism.
We actually have Corporate Fascism at the moment which is as bad as Communism. To say we live in a Capitalist society is a joke because Government bailed out the banks.
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Neither work.

Communism is great in theory. However, in reality it could never work. Why? Because of innate human greed. Communism could never work because individuals (not all, but some) would never be satisfied with working for the benefits of all, they'd always strive for 'a bigger slice of the pie', so to speak.

The same problem (of human greed) is apparent within the capitalist system. Those with the wealth don't want to share it, thus profits aren't circulated equally in the economy, thus increasing the polarisation of different social classes. Perhaps capitalism would work if there was a stable equilibrium (where everyone was starting from the same point), but there isn't. Therefore capitalism only enhances the distance between those with more and those with less.
There is the argument that those at the top benefiting from the capitalist system are those that deserve to be there, and those that don't benefit simply haven't made the most of the opportunities handed to them by capitalism. However, this is merely a façade posed by those at the top to justify the corrupt system that most Western countries work in. In actual fact, capitalism is simply the exploitation of those most needy; profits made by those at the top created off the backs' of workers.
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(Original post by mughushed)
If people are getting their 'communism will never work' views from History lessons, sorry to tell you but we're being taught about communism in an incredibly biased, propaganda-fueled way (we do live in a capitalist society after all).

I don't know enough about it to fully say I'm a communist, but it IS the only ideology that benefits all of us. Just look at Cuba...
LOL, if anything, our history lessons are biased TO communism (left-wing teachers, remember).
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selfishness is an evolutionary trait that all humans have, and it is a natural thing to revolt against anything that could create equality and mean you have slightly less

howay communism
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One sentence (coincidentally my signature ):
"Not freedom for all, not equality for all, but a fight against the oppressors and exploiters, the abolitionof every possibility of oppression and exploitation - THAT IS OUR SLOGAN!"


A word on the so-called 'communist countries' which apparently 'proved' that communism doesn't work.
Deformed workers' states, like the Soviet satellite states of Eastern Europe as well as China, which are or were based upon collectivised means of production, but in which the working class never held direct political power.
The degenerated/deformed workers' state was/is not a new form of society, but a transitional phase between capitalism and socialism (and closer to capitalism) that would inevitably collapse into one form or the other. Whether this downfall led to the restoration of workers' democracy or to capitalist restoration would depend on whether the movement to overthrow the dictatorship of the bureaucracy was led by the organised working class.

This is also explained by bureacratic collectivism. A bureacracy instead of the people themselves, through soviets, control the economy and state. It is the bureaucracy—not the workers or the people in general—who controls the economy and the state. Thus, the system is not truly capitalist, but it is not socialist either.

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(Original post by Cato the Elder)
LOL, if anything, our history lessons are biased TO communism (left-wing teachers, remember).
We only get taught the downsides of communism as opposed to offering an alternate view: that communism is a positive ideology. Plus, it's not the teachers who set the curriculum?
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