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Band five. A quick Google will tell you.

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Band five. A quick Google will tell you.

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Lol just thought maybe people had different wages on band 5
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Lol just thought maybe people had different wages on band 5
You do, depending on years of service and experience. But every nurse will start at the bottom.

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Depends on your shift pattern as well. Nights and weekends obviously pay more, for the moment anyway.
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It is worth noting that private hospitals and nursing homes can pay higher salaries and are a good place to start for the newly qualified!
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It is worth noting that private hospitals and nursing homes can pay higher salaries and are a good place to start for the newly qualified!
Definitely i worked as admin for a private healthcare company and they were very generous with the pay for the nurses.
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Definitely i worked as admin for a private healthcare company and they were very generous with the pay for the nurses.
A typical band 5 nurse will start on £21,692 which is the bottom of band 5. If you're on the 'fringe' of London you get an additional 5%, Outer London 15%, and Inner London 20%. Additionally nurses will usually get an unsocial hours premium for overnight shifts etc.

Because nurses have placements as part of their course it's rare that they will start at any point other than the bottom of the band. When you start an NHS job you can usually negotiate the salary if you have a) experience in the NHS on the same band, or b) you have relevant experience that you want the new employer to take into consideration. This doesn't really happen with nurses as all nurses are required to do placements in order to qualify but there are fantastic opportunities for nurses - band 6 specialised nurses, band 7 research, along with management etc. You could also qualify as an advanced nurse practitioner (ANP) which is usually a band 8a as the duties are considered commensurate to those of a junior doctor! Plus you could cross qualify as a midwife and then again as a sonographer if you wanted for extra income.
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A typical band 5 nurse will start on £21,692 which is the bottom of band 5. If you're on the 'fringe' of London you get an additional 5%, Outer London 15%, and Inner London 20%. Additionally nurses will usually get an unsocial hours premium for overnight shifts etc.

Because nurses have placements as part of their course it's rare that they will start at any point other than the bottom of the band. When you start an NHS job you can usually negotiate the salary if you have a) experience in the NHS on the same band, or b) you have relevant experience that you want the new employer to take into consideration. This doesn't really happen with nurses as all nurses are required to do placements in order to qualify but there are fantastic opportunities for nurses - band 6 specialised nurses, band 7 research, along with management etc. You could also qualify as an advanced nurse practitioner (ANP) which is usually a band 8a as the duties are considered commensurate to those of a junior doctor! Plus you could cross qualify as a midwife and then again as a sonographer if you wanted for extra income.
A very accurate and in depth response, to what is actually quite a cheeky question despite the fact my baseline pay is published publically. I will, however, remind the OP chikane that healthcare work isn't about the money. I can see the rationale for wanting to know what sort of money can be earned, however this should not form any part of the motivation to work in healthcare. Patients and their needs should always come first.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise that we cannot eat money"
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A very accurate and in depth response, to what is actually quite a cheeky question despite the fact my baseline pay is published publically. I will, however, remind the OP chikane that healthcare work isn't about the money. I can see the rationale for wanting to know what sort of money can be earned, however this should not form any part of the motivation to work in healthcare. Patients and their needs should always come first.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise that we cannot eat money"
I start nursing in Feb 2016, so no pay is not my motivation. Just wondered thats all. I do know patients needs comes first and how rewarding it is to be a nurse.
Didnt realise it was a cheeky question!

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I don't think it's a cheeky question at all. And whilst patients needs are obviously highly important keeping a roof over my families head and putting food in their stomachs is more important to me.
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I don't think it's a cheeky question at all. And whilst patients needs are obviously highly important keeping a roof over my families head and putting food in their stomachs is more important to me.
It is a bit cheeky. I'll explain... To ask what a hypothetical nurse could earn is perfectly acceptable, however I think it is the individualised nature of the question that is misleading... Directly addressing us qualifieds and asking us for our salary is not really fair.

Like I say, although baseline earnings for nurses are published publically, none of us are actually going to write here what our last month's takings were.

I can't say that I have much insight into providing for a family, as I'm a single guy who lives on his own. I just want to try and help ensure that nursing gets the best crop of students every year, with the right motivations for, and expectations upon, entering the profession as we have a national shortage of nurses, somewhat due to the awful drop out rates.
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It is a bit cheeky. I'll explain... To ask what a hypothetical nurse could earn is perfectly acceptable, however I think it is the individualised nature of the question that is misleading... Directly addressing us qualifieds and asking us for our salary is not really fair.

Like I say, although baseline earnings for nurses are published publically, none of us are actually going to write here what our last month's takings were.

I can't say that I have much insight into providing for a family, as I'm a single guy who lives on his own. I just want to try and help ensure that nursing gets the best crop of students every year, with the right motivations for, and expectations upon, entering the profession as we have a national shortage of nurses, somewhat due to the awful drop out rates.
But we also don't want people to sign up to nursing, qualify and then quit shortly afterwards because the salary isn't sustainable.
I don't think its all that cheeky to want to know roughly how much you'll take home when you qualify. Published yearly salaries are all very well, but 1. they don't take into account tax, NI, pension, parking etc and 2. how much a band 5 will take home will vary wildly depending on where they work. Simply knowing the 'salary' is £21k doesn't really tell you all that much when it comes to nurses pay.

I realise I say this as someone who told the OP to 'google it' but I appreciate the curiosity about wanting to know how much you'll make at the end of the day.

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A very accurate and in depth response, to what is actually quite a cheeky question despite the fact my baseline pay is published publically. I will, however, remind the OP chikane that healthcare work isn't about the money. I can see the rationale for wanting to know what sort of money can be earned, however this should not form any part of the motivation to work in healthcare. Patients and their needs should always come first.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last river poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise that we cannot eat money"
And just another quick note. Whilst you shouldn't enter in to healthcare for the money, it should be a massive consideration. There isn't a huge increase in money as you move up the bands and the majority of people (nurses especially) will be lifelong band 5s. We get a lot of mature students in nursing and they need to make sure its financially viable. We shouldn't expect nurses to sacrifice being financially stable just for the good of the patients
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But we also don't want people to sign up to nursing, qualify and then quit shortly afterwards because the salary isn't sustainable.
I don't think its all that cheeky to want to know roughly how much you'll take home when you qualify. Published yearly salaries are all very well, but 1. they don't take into account tax, NI, pension, parking etc and 2. how much a band 5 will take home will vary wildly depending on where they work. Simply knowing the 'salary' is £21k doesn't really tell you all that much when it comes to nurses pay.

I realise I say this as someone who told the OP to 'google it' but I appreciate the curiosity about wanting to know how much you'll make at the end of the day.



And just another quick note. Whilst you shouldn't enter in to healthcare for the money, it should be a massive consideration. There isn't a huge increase in money as you move up the bands and the majority of people (nurses especially) will be lifelong band 5s. We get a lot of mature students in nursing and they need to make sure its financially viable. We shouldn't expect nurses to sacrifice being financially stable just for the good of the patients
There is no issue with wanting to know how much a nurse earns. Parents of patients, friends of mine all ask me how much I earn, and I happily quote the £21,692 available to view online, but explain it can be a bit more with unsociable hours pay included.

There are plenty of online calculators that will enable someone to find out an approximate take home pay from a certain salary.

By no means do I say that financial stability should be sacrificed. People need to live. It's just we have horrendous drop out rates for nursing and so we need to ensure people enter into it with the right motivation, as well as being fully informed about the salary, take home pay and yearly increments etc.

The more I think about it, the more I realise it was probably the way in which this question was asked that irked me, rather than the actual information the OP wished to obtain, or their motive behind it.
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Can I just say I don't think that's a cheeky question at all. You have every right to ask for the salary. We are all adults and understand that sometimes others get paid less/more depending on the trust/location/group of patients etc.

As for those who mentioned it shouldn't be about pay... Let me tell you we are already aware it isn't about pay. Most nurses after tax etc. only have about 2-300 disposable income which is a disgrace considering the job pressures. It's not enough and most people DONT go in for the pay but NEED to know if they could survive on the wage.

The mental health nurse newly qualified jobs appear to start at around 24-25, so I'm presuming general nurses get paid less than MH nurses (however I may be wrong).

I will be expecting/negotiating anything over 25K for my first position, due to the experience I had before, and during the course alongside my regular placements.

Don't delete thread please! It's great to be informed, as I'm sure others want to know
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Can I just say I don't think that's a cheeky question at all. You have every right to ask for the salary. We are all adults and understand that sometimes others get paid less/more depending on the trust/location/group of patients etc.

As for those who mentioned it shouldn't be about pay... Let me tell you we are already aware it isn't about pay. Most nurses after tax etc. only have about 2-300 disposable income which is a disgrace considering the job pressures. It's not enough and most people DONT go in for the pay but NEED to know if they could survive on the wage.

The mental health nurse newly qualified jobs appear to start at around 24-25, so I'm presuming general nurses get paid less than MH nurses (however I may be wrong).

I will be expecting/negotiating anything over 25K for my first position, due to the experience I had before, and during the course alongside my regular placements.

Don't delete thread please! It's great to be informed, as I'm sure others want to know
The 24-35k sounds like a band 6 figure, rather than a band 5. Or are you perhaps looking at private salaries?

I'm afraid there isn't much room for negotiation of salaries in the NHS. As far as I'm aware the only thing that counts towards progressing pay scales is experience as a qualified nurse. It may be different in the private sector, but the NHS is very standardised.
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They pay nurses about £200 a year, then top them up with any peanuts or cake crumbs left over from the NHS managers' meetings, then hire 50 eastern European nurses instead of paying for any of our own HCAs or students to be trained.
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The mental health nurse newly qualified jobs appear to start at around 24-25, so I'm presuming general nurses get paid less than MH nurses (however I may be wrong).
It could be that your local area has higher pay, but none of the NQN positions in my area start any higher than 22k with the exception of some private secure settings and the rare prison jobs that start slightly higher so there isnt in a difference between fields in my local trusts.
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They pay nurses about £200 a year, then top them up with any peanuts or cake crumbs left over from the NHS managers' meetings, then hire 50 eastern European nurses instead of paying for any of our own HCAs or students to be trained.
Now wait just a second there Nigel Farage, I don't think that's how it works.
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how was this a remotely cheeky question?
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