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Really bothers me how much people think it was just Suarez.

Not only did Sturridge score 21 in 29 games, a lot of those were the match winning goals.

Straight off the bat at the start of the season we won the first 3 games of the season 1-0 with Sturridge scoring the goal in each game.

That's 9 points without even going through the rest of the season.
Without Sturridge, we may have just finished 3rd or 4th, we will have conceded too many goals for even Suarez alone to provide the goals for challenging for the title.
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(Original post by Zerforax)
Really bothers me how much people think it was just Suarez.

Not only did Sturridge score 21 in 29 games, a lot of those were the match winning goals.

Straight off the bat at the start of the season we won the first 3 games of the season 1-0 with Sturridge scoring the goal in each game.

That's 9 points without even going through the rest of the season.
Sturridge did play well throughout that season for sure, but it was clearly Suarez who propelled him (and the rest of the team) to any kind of success. Players like Suarez can negate the failures of a team and improve the sum just by being on the pitch.
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(Original post by Zerforax)
Really bothers me how much people think it was just Suarez.

Not only did Sturridge score 21 in 29 games, a lot of those were the match winning goals.

Straight off the bat at the start of the season we won the first 3 games of the season 1-0 with Sturridge scoring the goal in each game.

That's 9 points without even going through the rest of the season.
I do agree with you, but that's 6 points, not 9...


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(Original post by Ned Stark)
Sturridge did play well throughout that season for sure, but it was clearly Suarez who propelled him (and the rest of the team) to any kind of success. Players like Suarez can negate the failures of a team and improve the sum just by being on the pitch.
I don't understand why it's difficult that both players were the key reasons for our success that season?

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I do agree with you, but that's 6 points, not 9...


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We've actually spent very little net due to big sales of Suarez and Sterling in the last two summers.

The extra 10-15mil could be the difference between buying another Benteke or buying a decent striker.

Our title challenge was a one-off due to Suarez/Sturridge. In reality, most of the time it's a case of good squads achieve in all competitions.

Why is it that the top 4 can compete in the CL and PL? If you can't deal with EL/PL, how are you going to cope with CL/PL if you did achieve it?
Its because the matches are usually Saturday-Tuesday or Sunday-Wednesday in the CL. Whereas with the Europa, its sometimes Thursday and Saturday. Add in the fact that you're travelling to unknown places far away, you barely get any rest. If you have a 12:30/1:30 kick off on Saturday and had a Europa match on Thursday, travelling back takes like a half a day and then you have like only half a day to recover. Barely any time to prepare for the early Saturday kick off and barely any rest. Its a nightmare and its been proven to affect clubs.

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Its because the matches are usually Saturday-Tuesday or Sunday-Wednesday in the CL. Whereas with the Europa, its sometimes Thursday and Saturday. Add in the fact that you're travelling to unknown places far away, you barely get any rest. If you have a 12:30/1:30 kick off on Saturday and had a Europa match on Thursday, travelling back takes like a half a day and then you have like only half a day to recover. Barely any time to prepare for the early Saturday kick off and barely any rest. Its a nightmare and its been proven to affect clubs.

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It's always Thursday-Sunday. They always move the PL game back to the Sunday.

Which should be no different to playing Wednesday-Saturday.
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(Original post by Ned Stark)
Sturridge did play well throughout that season for sure, but it was clearly Suarez who propelled him (and the rest of the team) to any kind of success. Players like Suarez can negate the failures of a team and improve the sum just by being on the pitch.
Na nonsense. Liverpool's losses that were critical for the title loss(Chelsea games) Sturridge was either unfit or didn't partake in at all.

Suarez didn't score against the top teams either. Suarez did a lot but Sturridge was just as much a part to play as Suarez, Suarez is the overall better player though but it was both of them. Suarez wouldn't have been able to make a title challenge on his own and same for Sturridge with that Liverpool team.
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(Original post by WeOnlyLiveOnce)
Its because the matches are usually Saturday-Tuesday or Sunday-Wednesday in the CL. Whereas with the Europa, its sometimes Thursday and Saturday. Add in the fact that you're travelling to unknown places far away, you barely get any rest. If you have a 12:30/1:30 kick off on Saturday and had a Europa match on Thursday, travelling back takes like a half a day and then you have like only half a day to recover. Barely any time to prepare for the early Saturday kick off and barely any rest. Its a nightmare and its been proven to affect clubs.

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Pretty sure the PL games are moved to Sunday but Spurs (and Dortmund) have proven that you can still compete for the title or atleast the top 4 while playing in the EL. It's just a poor excuse for the squad not being good enough to compete both in Europe and domestically.
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It's always Thursday-Sunday. They always move the PL game back to the Sunday.

Which should be no different to playing Wednesday-Saturday.
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Pretty sure the PL games are moved to Sunday but Spurs (and Dortmund) have proven that you can still compete for the title or atleast the top 4 while playing in the EL. It's just a poor excuse for the squad not being good enough to compete both in Europe and domestically.
I stand corrected. But the travelling issue still remain. Going to some next unknown places far away playing against teams you've never heard off. I mean we lost to a team that you could barely spell their name or even say it. Spurs have been the outlier this season but its certainly shown in the past few seasons that being in the Europa league has a negative impact on your league position in the PL. Maybe it is an excuse for a poor squad but I'd much rather focus on the league solely than participate in the Europa League imo.

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I stand corrected. But the travelling issue still remain. Going to some next unknown places far away playing against teams you've never heard off. I mean we lost to a team that you could barely spell their name or even say it. Spurs have been the outlier this season but its certainly shown in the past few seasons that being in the Europa league has a negative impact on your league position in the PL. Maybe it is an excuse for a poor squad but I'd much rather focus on the league solely than participate in the Europa League imo.

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I think the travel is overstated personally. It's effectively just a couple of extra hours on a plane.

Spurs' squad hasn't been good enough over the years. Yea on paper and as a one off game it looked good enough, but the reality is that their squad wasn't good enough for a grueling full season that the teams which qualify for the CL are regularly used to.

The difference are players like Aguero etc who are used to playing home/away for domestic, European and international games. They are able to maintain their quality and fitness over a full season with consistency. Spurs just haven't had any players who could do that for 50-60+ games a season.
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Na nonsense. Liverpool's losses that were critical for the title loss(Chelsea games) Sturridge was either unfit or didn't partake in at all.

Suarez didn't score against the top teams either. Suarez did a lot but Sturridge was just as much a part to play as Suarez, Suarez is the overall better player though but it was both of them. Suarez wouldn't have been able to make a title challenge on his own and same for Sturridge with that Liverpool team.
Not saying Sturridge was bad at all, he's a top player when fit and he's shown that a lot. My point is that Suarez elevated him to a level he may not ever reach again, hence why they were so good together. I saw a Premier League years episode on that season and WOW, Suarez was by far and away one of the best players I've seen in the Prem as a whole.
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Imagine being a Liverpool fan and still discussing losing the title in 13/14.
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Imagine being a Liverpool fan and still discussing losing the title in 13/14.
Bit of a progression isn't it.

Otherwise we'd get talk of the last time they won the PL

..one of the great conspiracy theories

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Ned Stark!
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Imagine being a Liverpool fan and still discussing losing the title in 13/14.
At least we don't have Van Flatface as our manager...
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Ned Stark!
Thoughts on Arthur Dayne? zKlownSA-1swirlyLouis.
Considered the greatest swordsmen the 7 kingdoms has ever seen.

(the guy holding two swords in the trailer)
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Thoughts on Arthur Dayne? zKlownSA-1swirlyLouis.
Considered the greatest swordsmen the 7 kingdoms has ever seen.

(the guy holding two swords in the trailer)
**** him. Ned Stark is the GOAT.
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**** him. Ned Stark is the GOAT.
GOAT actor.
WOAT character.

Didn't even make it through season 1 m8.
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(the guy holding two swords in the trailer)
Probably isn't him as he hasn't really been mentioned in the TV show, to introduce a new character for a single flash-back scene would be pretty pointless. Plus Arthur Dayne fought with a greatsword so if they were to bother to include him you'd imagine they'd at least get that right.
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Probably isn't him as he hasn't really been mentioned in the TV show, to introduce a new character for a single flash-back scene would be pretty pointless. Plus Arthur Dayne fought with a greatsword so if they were to bother to include him you'd imagine they'd at least get that right.
You have to wonder how many episodes they'd spend on flashbacks though. Especially now that the past is becoming more and more relevant - would anybody be surprised if a half/full season was set in the past?

Haven't read the books though so I don't know the details as much though.
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