Ukip Voters - Is it time for a new leader?

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I am an open UKIP supporter, I know that's unpopular amongst
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A question mainly for the UKIP voters out there, is it time Nigel Farage is replaced. I know hes the one who built the party to make it mainstream. However since the whole election scandal with the "stepping down" then becoming leader again. Then of course blaming everyone for loosing Oldham by-election, its starting to become a joke. The party just isn't growing like it was, I think Douglas has a point; we need a fresh leader as Nigel is very marmite. Personally I have always been a big fan of
Steven Woolfe, I think he could go far and would make a great leader. I think if UKIP has got any future, it needs to stop blaming everyone for defeats and provide a more modern approach (I don't agree with there stance on gay marriage for example).

Nigel has been great, but I think he should leave before it all collapses after the hard work put in to make it a mainstream party.
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In Farage we trust.
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Farage is a gifted communicator, and streets ahead of anyone else in the party.

He could start an argument in a phone box though. He has managed to alienate Carswell, Evans, O'Flynn, everyone practically. It is his way or the highway.

Sad to say, unless he recovers his mojo and makes his peace with everyone else he needs to go. It isn't going to happen however, and there isn't a viable successor, which is even worse.

The issues UKIP articulate haven't gone away though. Populist, anti EU parties are on the rise throughout Europe, the party may need to evolve or mutate into something else, but it will survive in some form as a powerful pressure group.

Breaking the mould and getting significant parliamentary representation is another matter. It is too hard in our system. The SDP couldn't do it and neither will UKIP.

Four million votes and one MP says it all. UKIP's focus, Farage or no Farage should be on breaking this failed political system, as well as highlighting the folly of uncontrolled immigration and the fact that we transitioning from a nation state to a province, within the EU. And there will be an appetite for that for our current polity is increasingly discredited, even if the country votes to stay.
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what's wrong with farage? he doesn't split his party like corbyn or clegg
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UKIP peaked in the polls around a year ago, increasing temporarily every now and again depending on how much of an issue immigration is at any particular time. They've lost their momentum now though it seems - membership has stalled, they're performing absolutely dreadfully in council by-elections (last stat I heard is that on average there's a -10% swing - although nobody is talking about this), etc. With their current direction they'll be lucky to retain their 1 MP, let alone gain more (The election showed us clearly how you can carry millions of voters but doesn't necessarily gain you any representation). Any Tory MP who was toying with the idea of defecting 2 years ago is probably breathing a sigh of relief.

If they want the party to survive, they're gonna have to find someone to carry the party onwards. Yes they have plenty of MEPs, but nobody knows their names. To most people, UKIP are a one-man party. Perhaps a leadership change right now is not the best idea, but unless someone is going to be able to fill that position within a few years (as well as some other members rising to becoming household names), they're a bit ****ed.
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Nope, time for a new party, mate.
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UKIP's problem with Farage is he is bigger than the party. Getting rid of Farage runs the risk of the party going backwards unless there is someone with equally big personality/charisma in the wings.

Although personally I would love to see Kilroy-Silk and Godfrey Bloom make a comeback, just for the ****, giggles and car crash.
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UKIP's problem with Farage is he is bigger than the party. Getting rid of Farage runs the risk of the party going backwards unless there is someone with equally big personality/charisma in the wings.

Although personally I would love to see Kilroy-Silk and Godfrey Bloom make a comeback, just for the ****, giggles and car crash.
Or even better, how about the man who founded the wretched thing itself: Alan Sked (who in recent years has written about his regret given how the party turned out today).

Seems funny to think the man was an academic who placed himself on the centre-left. Whereas these days the party is undeniably on the right, and is frequently associated with anti-intellectualism (e.g. they're climate skeptics...)
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(Original post by Quantex)
UKIP's problem with Farage is he is bigger than the party. Getting rid of Farage runs the risk of the party going backwards unless there is someone with equally big personality/charisma in the wings.

Although personally I would love to see Kilroy-Silk and Godfrey Bloom make a comeback, just for the ****, giggles and car crash.
Simple. Make a new office like chairman, make Farage the chairman, appoint a new leader. Win win, public gets a new face, Farage is still the main power in UKIP
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No, Nigel Farage is the leader who has brought UKIP to the attention of all in the country; he has an ability for self-publicity, has the capability to appear normal, and has the support of the party members behind him.
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(Original post by ben.anderson)
A question mainly for the UKIP voters out there
Existing voters have already been persuaded. It's the swing voters who should be the main consideration here. "Are there potential UKIP voters that are put off voting for UKIP because of Farage personally or the strategy he has put forward for the party?" is really the question you ought to be asking.

For my part, as someone who would probably never consider voting UKIP, I think there's a time in every political history where leaders become more of a hindrance than a help. Party loyalists are usually far keener to keep them, recognising what they have achieved, but ignoring the opportunities that a new direction could give them.

Farage is undoubtedly a skilled politician and has been a great asset, but if UKIP wants to be a serious political force, they have to change significantly from what they now are. As people have mentioned, climate change scepticism, opposition to same-sex marriage and several other policies that are incidental to their overall objectives are putting them out of step with the mainstream. Farage is one thing holding them back from growing.
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I like Nuttal. But, only if we stay in the EU.
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In Nigel We Trust. He hauled the party from the depths and is an honest man.
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Nope, time for a new party, mate.
Beat me to it!
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Beat me to it!
Shut it, Corbyn!
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I very much like Farage. He's the driving force of the party, most definitely.
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Shut it, Corbyn!
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I very much like Farage. He's the driving force of the party, most definitely.
I wouldn't mess with me. I'm a threat to national security, just ask Cameron.
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Nope, time for a new party, mate.
Who? The only other remotely anti-EU party is the Tories and even then they are mostly up the *** of the EU
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I am an open UKIP supporter, I know that's unpopular amongst
most left-wing opinions on these forums. I don't agree with everything they say or do but they best represent my views.

A question mainly for the UKIP voters out there, is it time Nigel Farage is replaced. I know hes the one who built the party to make it mainstream. However since the whole election scandal with the "stepping down" then becoming leader again. Then of course blaming everyone for loosing Oldham by-election, its starting to become a joke. The party just isn't growing like it was, I think Douglas has a point; we need a fresh leader as Nigel is very marmite. Personally I have always been a big fan of
Steven Woolfe, I think he could go far and would make a great leader. I think if UKIP has got any future, it needs to stop blaming everyone for defeats and provide a more modern approach (I don't agree with there stance on gay marriage for example).

Nigel has been great, but I think he should leave before it all collapses after the hard work put in to make it a mainstream party.
Yes and it should be Susan Evans


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Yes and it should be Susan Evans


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Suzanne I think.
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I can't think of a better leader for UKIP than Farage.
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