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It is easier to become a teacher if you have communist leanings.

There is no scope in the exams any more. They are like driving tests.

Pupils are told what to do and think.

Taught history is full of lies and propaganda.
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Hopefully
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Capitalism has failed - look at every Western capitalist country, they are saddled with trillions of pounds of debt and people are complaining about moral decline.

Communism will provide discipline, respect and a love of the State replacing worship of religion which I'm sure we will agree will make the world a more peaceful place.
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Capitalism has failed - look at every Western capitalist country, they are saddled with trillions of pounds of debt and people are complaining about moral decline.

Communism will provide discipline, respect and a love of the State replacing worship of religion which I'm sure we will agree will make the world a more peaceful place.

Good joke mate
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I like the idea of a hierarchy thanks.
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Since when did communism tell people what to think? It promotes social justice, yes, but it does not tell people what their opinions should be (unlike capitalist media)
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Since when did communism tell people what to think? It promotes social justice, yes, but it does not tell people what their opinions should be (unlike capitalist media)
Communism can only work when people submit -- it cannot work with half the population disagreeing for example.

The easiest way to do this would be to brainwash and punish those who disagree. (See every previous and current communist state that has ever existed).

The world has tried communism and it hasn't worked -- its time for the Left to move on and innovate, find another way, and another argument. Because Communism has always, always failed and only succeeded when limiting the freedoms and general happiness of the people.
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Communism can only work when people submit -- it cannot work with half the population disagreeing for example.

The easiest way to do this would be to brainwash and punish those who disagree. (See every previous and current communist state that has ever existed).

The world has tried communism and it hasn't worked -- its time for the Left to move on and innovate, find another way, and another argument. Because Communism has always, always failed and only succeeded when limiting the freedoms and general happiness of the people.
Since when did Cuba fail? They revolutionised the country from a backwards dictatorship and reduced the illiteracy rate from 24% to just 4% in a single year. They were attacked by the USA because of their affiliations with the USSR, despite them being a perfectly run communist state.

Dedicated capitalists love to talk about GDP as if it some measure of a country's success - but communist russia in the 1950s had the fastest growing economy in history. Russia was turned from a desolate wasteland in to a huge global superpower and won the space race, all whilst being attacked by capitalist states.

chat **** get commie'd
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Since when did Cuba fail? They revolutionised the country from a backwards dictatorship and reduced the illiteracy rate from 24% to just 4% in a single year. They were attacked by the USA because of their affiliations with the USSR, despite them being a perfectly run communist state.

Dedicated capitalists love to talk about GDP as if it some measure of a country's success - but communist russia in the 1950s had the fastest growing economy in history. Russia was turned from a desolate wasteland in to a huge global superpower and won the space race, all whilst being attacked by capitalist states.

chat **** get commie'd
*eye roll*

I didn't mean failing in that context necessarily. I know that China, for instance, is an extremely successful country economically, and they call themselves communist. Heck, North Korea hasn't completely failed either. When I say 'failed' I mean it hasn't worked without limiting the freedoms of its people.

Often, when you ask a communist where they'd rather live compared to the UK/USA/West in general, they come up short. Freedom is something a lot of people take for granted.

Yeah -- a lot of people got 'commie'd' under Stalin, didn't they? But for them it wasn't a joke.
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*eye roll*

I didn't mean failing in that context necessarily. I know that China, for instance, is an extremely successful country economically, and they call themselves communist. Heck, North Korea hasn't completely failed either. When I say 'failed' I mean it hasn't worked without limiting the freedoms of its people.

Often, when you ask a communist where they'd rather live compared to the UK/USA/West in general, they come up short. Freedom is something a lot of people take for granted.

Yeah -- a lot of people got 'commie'd' under Stalin, didn't they? But for them it wasn't a joke.
China isn't communist at all you bad mong, it has the freest economy in the developed world - it's just a dictatorship. (Also, I'd rather live in Scandinavia if I could speak the language/s)

Also, what does the west / non west have to do with capitalism / communism? What eastern countries are communist, or any more socialist than the west? You have no idea what communism is.
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Since when did Cuba fail? They revolutionised the country from a backwards dictatorship and reduced the illiteracy rate from 24% to just 4% in a single year. They were attacked by the USA because of their affiliations with the USSR, despite them being a perfectly run communist state.

Dedicated capitalists love to talk about GDP as if it some measure of a country's success - but communist russia in the 1950s had the fastest growing economy in history. Russia was turned from a desolate wasteland in to a huge global superpower and won the space race, all whilst being attacked by capitalist states.

chat **** get commie'd
80-90% of Russia' technological advancement during the 30-73 period was the result of Western, primarily American technology transfer. Contrary to popular belief, Lend Lease was the transfer of advanced technology to the USSR. The original Soviet atomic bomb was greatly aided by the transfer of blueprints by US insiders. The MIRV Soviet ballistic missile technology was enabled by the transference of industrial parts only the USA had the capability to produce at the time.
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80-90% of Russia' technological advancement during the 30-73 period was the result of Western, primarily American technology transfer. Contrary to popular belief, Lend Lease was the transfer of advanced technology to the USSR. The original Soviet atomic bomb was greatly aided by the transfer of blueprints by US insiders. The MIRV Soviet ballistic missile technology was enabled by the transference of industrial parts only the USA had the capability to produce at the time.
yh mate america loved ussr didnt they pal they 100% funded them ok pal mate mate pal buddy mate
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China isn't communist at all you bad mong, it has the freest economy in the developed world - it's just a dictatorship. (Also, I'd rather live in Scandinavia if I could speak the language/s)

Also, what does the west / non west have to do with capitalism / communism? What eastern countries are communist, or any more socialist than the west? You have no idea what communism is.
The common Leftist always resorts to insults to further their argument -- it highlights your own insecurity in your way of thinking.

I do know what Communism is. It is a limiting, backwards ideology which has caused millions of deaths and has never worked WITHOUT limiting freedom, and thankfully it never will infect the UK or USA. You might resort to ad hominem attacks (as quite a lot of lefties do in my experience), but it doesn’t change the facts — Communism has caused poverty and death in its wake and will never prevail.
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yh mate america loved ussr didnt they pal they 100% funded them ok pal mate mate pal buddy mate
The Democrats, RINOs and their funders certainly did
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For absolute pure Communism to work you'd have to genetically engineer humans to rid them of individually, free will etc.

You could argue that no county ever achieved full Communism but that's because people resisted as it's against much of human nature.
Communism killed far more people in the 20th century than any other regime type according to historians. Mao alone killed 45 million in 4yrs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...s-2081630.html
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The common Leftist always resorts to insults to further their argument -- it highlights your own insecurity in your way of thinking.

I do know what Communism is. It is a limiting, backwards ideology which has caused millions of deaths and has never worked WITHOUT limiting freedom, and thankfully it never will infect the UK or USA. You might resort to ad hominem attacks (as quite a lot of lefties do in my experience), but it doesn’t change the facts — Communism has caused poverty and death in its wake and will never prevail.
and what about capitalism? Hasn't that resulted in racism, (the slave trade, christians justified it by saying black people were genetically inferior) which itself has resulted in millions upon millions of deaths?

what about the people in the middle-east being bombed to smithereens by capitalist western countries because weapons sales makes millions? The Iraq war, created so that Bush's family could personally profit from the weapon sales ( they were/are large shareholders in mutliple weapon companies )

capitalism isn't just an open market, it's the idea that one should do everything they can to obtain wealth, even if that means pushing other people down to get there.
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and what about capitalism? Hasn't that resulted in racism, (the slave trade, christians justified it by saying black people were genetically inferior) which itself has resulted in millions upon millions of deaths?

what about the people in the middle-east being bombed to smithereens by capitalist western countries because weapons sales makes millions? The Iraq war, created so that Bush's family could personally profit from the weapon sales ( they were/are large shareholders in mutliple weapon companies )

capitalism isn't just an open market, it's the idea that one should do everything they can to obtain wealth, even if that means pushing other people down to get there.
I never argued that capitalism was perfect -- it certainly has its flaws.

But in my opinion, it is certainly the lesser of two evils when compared to communism.

I argue that the Left should innovate another system rather than hold on to something outdated and evidently destructive.
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I never argued that capitalism was perfect -- it certainly has its flaws.

But in my opinion, it is certainly the lesser of two evils when compared to communism.

I argue that the Left should innovate another system rather than hold on to something outdated and evidently destructive.
we have mate proletariat totalitarianism
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we have mate proletariat totalitarianism
I must say that it kinda annoys me when people say such things. It is probable that you have never, ever lived in a totalitarian regime, and it is ridiculous that you would even imply that the UK is one. It's an insult to those who died under such regimes that you would suggest that we, a privileged people living in a free and democratic society, live under totalitarianism.

This makes your argument lose all credibility in my opinion - and is part of the reason why the Left is failing to be taken seriously.
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I must say that it kinda annoys me when people say such things. It is probable that you have never, ever lived in a totalitarian regime, and it is ridiculous that you would even imply that the UK is one. It's an insult to those who died under such regimes that you would suggest that we, a privileged people living in a free and democratic society, live under totalitarianism.

This makes your argument lose all credibility in my opinion - and is part of the reason why the Left is failing to be taken seriously.
When did I ever say we live under proletariat totalitarianism? I'm saying that's a communist ideal
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