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Holy crap that video is deep
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do you have to go to SocialistWorker.com to find these videos ?
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do you have to go to SocialistWorker.com to find these videos ?
Ermm....If you actually look closely you will see it says "YouTube"
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And the countries that are helping are facing collapse

https://www.rt.com/news/320158-swede...e-catastrophe/
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Holy crap that video is deep
This is almost an Appeal to Emotion.

We simply can't accommodate all these refugees.
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Holy crap that video is deep
I know it is sad that they have to face such a terrible situation and I wish we could accomodate all of them but that would just lead to more problems. Syria needs its people to be in their country. We can't keep accepting refugees into Europe.
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I know it is sad that they have to face such a terrible situation and I wish we could accomodate all of them but that would just lead to more problems. Syria needs its people to be in their country. We can't keep accepting refugees into Europe.
So what plans do you have in mind ?
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So what plans do you have in mind ?
Lol I don't know. I'm just saying that we can't keep accepting refugees. It doesn't solve the problem. We need to end the Syrian Civil War instead by removing the Assad government and fighting ISIS.
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Lol I don't know. I'm just saying that we can't keep accepting refugees. It doesn't solve the problem. We need to end the Syrian Civil War instead by removing the Assad government and fighting ISIS.
Indeed, and help them rebuild their lives.
Syrian people are highly educated and hardworking given the chance they will rebuild Syria.
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I think we should leave Syria to it's own demise, sit back and watch the fireworks with a bag of popcorn...
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Lol I don't know. I'm just saying that we can't keep accepting refugees. It doesn't solve the problem. We need to end the Syrian Civil War instead by removing the Assad government and fighting ISIS.
i hope you were against bombing syria. if you think we should not accept any refugees.
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i hope you were against bombing syria. if you think we should not accept any refugees.
Why? It is possible to be for bombing Syria and against accepting a large number of refugees. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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This is almost an Appeal to Emotion.

We simply can't accommodate all these refugees.
This. We can't take them and we shouldn't, nor should we be expected to.
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i hope you were against bombing syria. if you think we should not accept any refugees.
Why? It's not RAF airstrikes these people are fleeing. It's predominantly Assad barrel bombing and terror brought in by groups like ISIS. We know this because millions have fled before RAF strikes began.

That's the Syrians of course but half the migrants aren't even Syrian. We'll stick to the Syrians though for argument's sake.
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And the countries that are helping are facing collapse

https://www.rt.com/news/320158-swede...e-catastrophe/
That article is mainly about Sweden and let's face it, Sweden have been doing everything possible for the last 20 years or so to try to commit suicide.
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Lol I don't know. I'm just saying that we can't keep accepting refugees. It doesn't solve the problem. We need to end the Syrian Civil War instead by removing the Assad government and fighting ISIS.
I support the syrians to govern and choose their own leadership.

But the problem goes far beyond Assad or ISIS - syria is full of secterian, jihadi groups with absolutely no interest in democracy.

Groups like:

1. Jabhat al nusra - alqaed affiliate
2. Ahrar assham
3. Jaysh al islam

etc - the most powerful groups in syria, the best supported/armed are takfiri millitants.

Let's focus on Ahrar-Asham , who you consider to be less of a threat than Jaysh al Islam:

Strength: 10-20,000 (the economist) Reference will povided on request.
It is considered one of the three most powerful rebel groups fighting in Syria - i will update it when i can: "
In February 2014, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence called Ahrar al-Sham one of the three most effective rebel groups in Syria."

1.Ahrar Asham are probably considered one of the closest allies to jabhat al nusra, and have very, very strong links to Alqaeda.
2. "It routinely cooperates with al-Nusra and, until relations soured in 2013, also worked with ISIS. In February 2014, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence called Ahrar al-Sham one of the three most effective rebel groups in Syria."

Leadership: "Abu Khalid al-Suri, also known as Abu Omeir al-Shami (Unknown to February 23, 2014): Suri was a co-founder of Ahrar al-Sham and acted as Ayman al-Zawahiri’s representative in Syria,"

"Suri's close ties with Al Qaeda became clear after his death, when AQ commander Ayman al-Zawahiri published a eulogy for the fallen Ahrar al-Sham leader and AQ posted a video documenting his participation in Al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan, including photos of him with Osama bin Laden and Zawahir"

"Ahrar al-Sham was founded by members of Al Qaeda and maintains links to AQ’s core leadership. [42] While neither group formally claims a partnership, senior AQ officials, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, openly mourned Ahrar al-Sham leader Abu Khalid al-Suri when he died.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappin...roups/view/523
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Lol I don't know. I'm just saying that we can't keep accepting refugees. It doesn't solve the problem. We need to end the Syrian Civil War instead by removing the Assad government and fighting ISIS.
Another non-ISIS GROUP- jaysh al islam - their leader is zahran alloush (till Assads regime killed him - i believe)


1. Here is a video of him, with subtitles, where he explicitly praises Sheikh Osama Bin Laden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcvz-sgyuu0
Watch 2:15 onwards!



2. Here is a video of him pledging his alliance with Jabhat al Nusra, the Al-Qaeda affiliate in syria designated a terrorist group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zajo2GeKyV4

The quote: "
Alloush addressed the Al-Qaeda organization Jabhat al-Nusra as "our brothers", saying that "The summary of this issue is that we in Jaish Al-Islam praise our brothers of the Nusrah Front and we don't consider them Khawarij as is propagated against us, We fight alongside them and they fight alongside us"

3. And here is a video of him, calling for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of alawites, and shia muslims - turning the whole syria issue into a secterian one (when the majority of Assads army are SUNNI'S):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPLUhSy4vZ4
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I support the syrians to govern and choose their own leadership.

But the problem goes far beyond Assad or ISIS - syria is full of secterian, jihadi groups with absolutely no interest in democracy.

Groups like:

1. Jabhat al nusra - alqaed affiliate
2. Ahrar assham
3. Jaysh al islam

etc - the most powerful groups in syria, the best supported/armed are takfiri millitants.

Let's focus on Ahrar-Asham , who you consider to be less of a threat than Jaysh al Islam:

Strength: 10-20,000 (the economist) Reference will povided on request.
It is considered one of the three most powerful rebel groups fighting in Syria - i will update it when i can: "
In February 2014, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence called Ahrar al-Sham one of the three most effective rebel groups in Syria."

1.Ahrar Asham are probably considered one of the closest allies to jabhat al nusra, and have very, very strong links to Alqaeda.
2. "It routinely cooperates with al-Nusra and, until relations soured in 2013, also worked with ISIS. In February 2014, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence called Ahrar al-Sham one of the three most effective rebel groups in Syria."

Leadership: "Abu Khalid al-Suri, also known as Abu Omeir al-Shami (Unknown to February 23, 2014): Suri was a co-founder of Ahrar al-Sham and acted as Ayman al-Zawahiri’s representative in Syria,"

"Suri's close ties with Al Qaeda became clear after his death, when AQ commander Ayman al-Zawahiri published a eulogy for the fallen Ahrar al-Sham leader and AQ posted a video documenting his participation in Al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan, including photos of him with Osama bin Laden and Zawahir"

"Ahrar al-Sham was founded by members of Al Qaeda and maintains links to AQ’s core leadership. [42] While neither group formally claims a partnership, senior AQ officials, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, openly mourned Ahrar al-Sham leader Abu Khalid al-Suri when he died.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappin...roups/view/523
I never said that.
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I never said that.
look, i also agree for the syrians to choose among themselves who to govern them. The problem is, if Assad were to fall militarily , these takfiri or jihadi groups would take over, and the situation would be far far worse than what we see in libiya.

The only solution is a political one - after getting rid of these groups, and engaging in dialouge with the ones that are willing, to seek a political settlement.

Then we must have internationally observed elections- to ensure no vote rigging, and let the syrians themselves vote Assad out, and choose their own leader.
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look, i also agree for the syrians to choose among themselves who to govern them. The problem is, if Assad were to fall militarily , these takfiri or jihadi groups would take over, and the situation would be far far worse than what we see in libiya.

The only solution is a political one - after getting rid of these groups, and engaging in dialouge with the ones that are willing, to seek a political settlement.

Then we must have internationally observed elections- to ensure no vote rigging, and let the syrians themselves vote Assad out, and choose their own leader.
Good idea I guess.
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