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Reply 40
Original post by jamestg
GCSEs aren't really an indicator to academic ability, if they were - universities would be very inflexible as to how they use them as entry requirements.

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The only deciding factor as to whether someone should apply is if they get the right AS grades and are wanting to study at a high level in a subject they're interested in.


In fairness, Law (and Medicine) can be different and strong GCSEs may be viewed as helpful. In the Cambridge study "Predictive Effectiveness of Metrics in Admission" AS-levels and GCSE both have the same correlation for Law with 0.32 each.
Original post by jneill
In fairness, Law (and Medicine) can be different and strong GCSEs may be viewed as helpful. In the Cambridge study "Predictive Effectiveness of Metrics in Admission" AS-levels and GCSE both have the same correlation for Law with 0.32 each.


Maths is the only one where GCSE is higher than AS, but even then that's only 0.31. Most of the subjects where AS is higher than GCSE are at least 0.35+.

It does also say "The study also found thatCambridge’s long-established weighting system for GCSE had now become ineffective in improvingcorrelations between GCSE and Tripos performance"

Nonetheless, the basis of my argument still stands and that the implications of what she said were irresponsible.
Reply 42
Original post by jamestg
Maths is the only one where GCSE is higher than AS, but even then that's only 0.31. Most of the subjects where AS is higher than GCSE are at least 0.35+.

It does also say "The study also found thatCambridge’s long-established weighting system for GCSE had now become ineffective in improvingcorrelations between GCSE and Tripos performance"

Nonetheless, the basis of my argument still stands and that the implications of what she said were irresponsible.


As noted previously in this thread Churchill, for one, requires at least 5 A* at GCSE to be considered for Interview for Law.

But others are more relaxed. OP may need to contact a few colleges to check their views and apply accordingly.

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Original post by jneill
Churchill, for one, require at least 5 A* at GCSE to be considered for Interview for Law.

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Will 1 fail in GCSE jeopardize your application to a Russel Group?
I want 4 A* in GCSE.My whole class if failing my Modern Foreign language,(Highest was a G) and i may fail that.However can my other GCSE and AS/A-Level back my application up
Original post by Jeena_hunt5476
Honestly I know this will sound rude but I don't believe some of you when you say you got like 1-2A*s for your GCSEs and is studying law or medicine etc in Cambridge. Some of Cambridge colleges state that it's highly unlikely for someone to get an interview without having mostly A*s and like 1-2As and at least 90% UMS for A Levels.


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THink about your last statement again.

Swap "A*s" with "A's and A*s" and then realise that we also mostly got 4 A's, and around 90% UMS for A levels.

The admissions people look at the whole application, and every application will have strengths and weaknesses. And if your weakness is your GCSE's, you're going to have a better chance than people with weaknesses in more important areas - such as AS UMS or your Interviews. They're looking for the best, not who the best are on paper. There's a difference :wink:
Probably not. I've annoyed various college admissions departments in the past and they all echoed the advice of @Peterhouse Admissions and @jneill above they look at applications as a holistic whole.
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Original post by Blancosdos
Will 1 fail in GCSE jeopardize your application to a Russel Group?
I want 4 A* in GCSE.My whole class if failing my Modern Foreign language,(Highest was a G) and i may fail that.However can my other GCSE and AS/A-Level back my application up


For which course?

Short answer is yes, good AS can compensate for it. 1 poor MFL GCSE is not a problem.

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Original post by jneill
In fairness, Law (and Medicine) can be different and strong GCSEs may be viewed as helpful.


Even then more recent results will be more interesting. GCSEs are only ever considered in context of your school and what else we know about you. A good showing at GCSE might be 16 A*s at certain schools, but 1 A* would be exceptional at others. We like to see good performance relative to your school, or a strong upward trajectory from GCSE-A level. Dozens of A*s followed by mediocre AS results can be very concerning, 0 A*s followed by fantastic year 12 results can be very encouraging.

We only look at things holistically. "I got X A*s at GCSE - how will my application be viewed" is to take a overly simplistic view of our admissions process. All applications are reviewed in detail by several people at every stage before any decision is made (to interview or make an offer). For those candidates invited to interview, this can easily add up to a full working day's worth of time per candidate.
Reply 48
Original post by Peterhouse Admissions
Even then more recent results will be more interesting. GCSEs are only ever considered in context of your school and what else we know about you. A good showing at GCSE might be 16 A*s at certain schools, but 1 A* would be exceptional at others. We like to see good performance relative to your school, or a strong upward trajectory from GCSE-A level. Dozens of A*s followed by mediocre AS results can be very concerning, 0 A*s followed by fantastic year 12 results can be very encouraging.

We only look at things holistically. "I got X A*s at GCSE - how will my application be viewed" is to take a overly simplistic view of our admissions process. All applications are reviewed in detail by several people at every stage before any decision is made (to interview or make an offer). For those candidates invited to interview, this can easily add up to a full working day's worth of time per candidate.


Noted. :smile: But Churchill (and others? ) say different for law... ? Which does confuse things somewhat.

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Original post by jneill
Agreed. :smile: But Churchill (and others? ) say different for law... ? Which does confuse things somewhat.

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Colleges are independent to an extent and can vary requirements and how they communicate what they're looking for. It's best to view such cases as the exception though. If Colleges don't say anything about requirements they will be following the general policy on GCSEs - Colleges need to be specific if they want to vary anything. Applicants shouldn't extrapolate from cases where GCSE requirements are mentioned and assume that there are secret requirements for other courses.
Reply 50
Original post by Peterhouse Admissions
Colleges are independent to an extent and can vary requirements and how they communicate what they're looking for. It's best to view such cases as the exception though. If Colleges don't say anything about requirements they will be following the general policy on GCSEs - Colleges need to be specific if they want to vary anything. Applicants shouldn't extrapolate from cases where GCSE requirements are mentioned and assume that there are secret requirements for other courses.


Indeed - ok. Thanks.
Original post by ComputerMaths97
THink about your last statement again.

Swap "A*s" with "A's and A*s" and then realise that we also mostly got 4 A's, and around 90% UMS for A levels.

The admissions people look at the whole application, and every application will have strengths and weaknesses. And if your weakness is your GCSE's, you're going to have a better chance than people with weaknesses in more important areas - such as AS UMS or your Interviews. They're looking for the best, not who the best are on paper. There's a difference :wink:


But I am only talking about subjects like Law and Medicine. I know other people who have got into Cambridge with 3A*s in GCSEs but they are not doing Law or Medicine.
What I wrote is only to do with Medicine and Law. Some colleges may accept fewer A*s but others may not.


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A few facts can go a long way....
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This is for Peterhouse, other Colleges may do it differently but I can sense a growing myth that GCSEs are extra important for Law that I'd like to put to bed. One major reason that many successful applicants have the number of GCSE A*s they do is that doing well at GCSE sets you up to do well at A-level. One other thing to point out is that every candidate's interview report has an adjusted GCSE score which takes context into account.

Thanks!
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Reply 53
Original post by Peterhouse Admissions
A few facts can go a long way....
law.png

This is for Peterhouse, other Colleges may do it differently but I can sense a growing myth that GCSEs are extra important for Law that I'd like to put to bed. One major reason that many successful applicants have the number of GCSE A*s they do is that doing well at GCSE sets you up to do well at A-level. One other thing to point out is that every candidate's interview report has an adjusted GCSE score which takes context into account.

Thanks!


Perfect. Nothing like a nice chart to help things along... :smile:

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Original post by jneill
For which course?

Short answer is yes, good AS can compensate for it. 1 poor MFL GCSE is not a problem.

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Law.
Reply 55
Original post by Blancosdos
Law.


See above from Peterhouse :wink:
And don't apply to Churchill....

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Making an app to Cambridge for Law.
Did my interview at Peterhouse for Law on the 5th! I'm very glad I applied in the end. I enjoyed the experience, and even if I don't get in I won't have any 'What if...'s.
I asked this question over a year ago.

It will be answered in a matter of hours.
Original post by Peterhouse Admissions
A few facts can go a long way....
law.png

This is for Peterhouse, other Colleges may do it differently but I can sense a growing myth that GCSEs are extra important for Law that I'd like to put to bed. One major reason that many successful applicants have the number of GCSE A*s they do is that doing well at GCSE sets you up to do well at A-level. One other thing to point out is that every candidate's interview report has an adjusted GCSE score which takes context into account.

Thanks!


Do you have a graph like this for natural science?

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