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    (Original post by Sam Hickey)
    I don't understand why most of the commenters are being so militant towards the OP. They never made any attempt to detract from the fact that women are the main victims of domestic abuse, they simply stated that a large number of men also suffer from it and aren't taken seriously, and judging by the comments in this thread, they've been proven completely right on that count. As for people saying things such as "grow up with your misandry" etc, I truly hope you people don't identify as feminist, because the definition of feminism is based on equality, which yes does often mean women's rights, but is not excluded to them, therefore any true feminist would be equally outraged by the flipside of men being afraid to report it out of fear of a counter-accusation.

    As for the comments telling men to "man up", they should remember that women are capable of hurting men, and that there is a major stigma which prevents men from defending themselves in these situations, meaning most of the time they just have to take it. Not to mention the fact that mental abuse (such as the type mentioned in the article) is far more common in abuse cases (of both genders) than the physical kind. The OP was simply trying to raise awareness of the fact that male domestic abuse (also) exists and is not a joke.
    Well said! :yy:
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    (Original post by Sam Hickey)
    The OP was simply trying to raise awareness of the fact that male domestic abuse (also) exists and is not a joke.
    The OP was looking for an opportunity to piss and moan about feminism. Which is fine, but he shouldn't be doing it under the pretext of showing concern at the plight of male victims of domestic abuse.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    The OP was looking for an opportunity to piss and moan about feminism. Which is fine, but he shouldn't be doing it under the pretext of showing concern at the plight of male victims of domestic abuse.
    I don't think they neccessarily began this thread with that intention. I would surmise they probably simply pointed the finger at feminists when people who think the issue is funny, and some of the people who have inflammatory viewpoints which unfortunately became wrongly associated with feminism started commenting. I would sooner not apply to malice what can just as easily be applied to misinformation. Remember that what many people don't fully understand what a real feminist looks like and are quick to apply it to people with these so called "straw feminist" attributes.
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    I think it's disgusting how males as victims of domestic violence is overlooked and not viewed as seriously as women as the victims. No matter who is the victim of the violence, it should be taken seriously and dealt with in a respectful and sensitive way no matter the victim's gender. Just because males are stereotyped to be all 'tough, aggressive and dominant' doesn't mean it's true in every male, and, even if it was, they can and do still suffer from domestic violence and have the same traumatic experiences as females.

    Domestic violence victims are all sufferers and all need help.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Nah. Equality is just one of the issues.

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    You can't seek equality and seek to correct all of the problems faced by women, the two can't go together


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    verys sad.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    You can't seek equality and seek to correct all of the problems faced by women, the two can't go together


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    Of course you can.
    Why can't you seek for women to have equal voting powers and at the same time support vulnerable women who go into prostitution?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Of course you can.
    Why can't you seek for women to have equal voting powers and at the same time support vulnerable women who go into prostitution?
    Women do have equal voting power so seeking that is a waste of time. If you're looking to just eradicate the areas that women are disadvantaged in and ignoring the areas where men are disadvantaged you're not looking for equality


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    (Original post by Milzime)
    aaaaaaaand this right here is the misconception
    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Feminism is a women's' movement. It focuses on women's issues. Men's movements should focus on such issues but unfortunately there is no coherent mens issues movement as the current MRA seem to be almost entirely comprised of raidically right wing anti-feminists pretending they care about men's issues.

    And the feminist movement isn't just about 'equality' it's about campaigning on and trying to help issues which effect women, whether that is something like Breast Cancer or the reasons women go into prostitution among others.

    I don't think feminism makes out women can never be the perpetrators, of course they can. I'm a feminist and of course admit and condemn any abuse by women, like I do any abuse by men.

    I don't see any contradiction at all between being a feminist and supporting real issues than effect men. Unfortunately it seems like its the MRA lot who does.

    Well you can hardly blame me. Maybe feminists should sort out what they're trying to achieve.


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well you can hardly blame me. Maybe feminists should sort out what they're trying to achieve.


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    *confused sigh* maybe I've just been brought up around people who just believe in equality for the sexes (like I've never really spoken to anyone irl who has proclaimed themselves as not a feminist) and that is what Feminism is, equality. Evidently the name is misleading so so so so yeah.
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    (Original post by Milzime)
    aaaaaaaand this right here is the misconception
    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Feminism is a women's' movement. It focuses on women's issues. Men's movements should focus on such issues but unfortunately there is no coherent mens issues movement as the current MRA seem to be almost entirely comprised of raidically right wing anti-feminists pretending they care about men's issues.

    And the feminist movement isn't just about 'equality' it's about campaigning on and trying to help issues which effect women, whether that is something like Breast Cancer or the reasons women go into prostitution among others.

    I don't think feminism makes out women can never be the perpetrators, of course they can. I'm a feminist and of course admit and condemn any abuse by women, like I do any abuse by men.

    I don't see any contradiction at all between being a feminist and supporting real issues than effect men. Unfortunately it seems like its the MRA lot who does.
    Well you can hardly blame me. Maybe feminists need to try and sort themselves and come to an actual agreement on what they want to do


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well you can hardly blame me. Maybe feminists should sort out what they're trying to achieve.


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    Different feminsits have different opinions. Different conservatives think differently. Different socialists think differently. Different capitalists think differently. Etc.

    It's an organization with a variety of opinions. That's fine. They don't need a party line to be legitimate.
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    (Original post by Milzime)
    aaaaaaaand this right here is the misconception
    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Feminism is a women's' movement. It focuses on women's issues. Men's movements should focus on such issues but unfortunately there is no coherent mens issues movement as the current MRA seem to be almost entirely comprised of raidically right wing anti-feminists pretending they care about men's issues.

    And the feminist movement isn't just about 'equality' it's about campaigning on and trying to help issues which effect women, whether that is something like Breast Cancer or the reasons women go into prostitution among others.

    I don't think feminism makes out women can never be the perpetrators, of course they can. I'm a feminist and of course admit and condemn any abuse by women, like I do any abuse by men.

    I don't see any contradiction at all between being a feminist and supporting real issues than effect men. Unfortunately it seems like its the MRA lot who does.
    You can hardly blame me. Perhaps feminists should sort out what they want rather than all telling everyone their perception of feminism is wrong


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    By the way renaming this thread to try catch people out or something? What?

    Maybe I'm stubborn or just naive but I believe

    GENDER EQUALITY is good

    DOMESTIC ABUSE is bad


    .....who doesn't?? ---this is what I do not understand

    sorry if this is stupid but but but frustration is real with people arguing about weird definitions and words and whatnot
    surely
    I
    just
    ffs
    I'm tired bye hah
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Different feminsits have different opinions. Different conservatives think differently. Different socialists think differently. Different capitalists think differently. Etc.

    It's an organization with a variety of opinions. That's fine. They don't need a party line to be legitimate.
    Conservatism, capitalism and socialism aren't comparable to feminism. A political activist movement can't have conflicting aims and be respectable


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Conservatism, capitalism and socialism aren't comparable to feminism. A political activist movement can't have conflicting aims and be respectable


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    The three you've mentioned all are political activist movements. What on earth do you think the Conservative party is? It's a political activist movement. That has fierce disagreements and a wider variety of views on issues.

    The idea that everyone in a movement must all have the same aim is ridiculous. They all focus on women's issues. Women's equality is just one issue. Others include female poverty, prostitution etc.

    Your criticism is absurd because you apply it only to feminism and to nothing else.

    It proves my point about the MRA lot, you don't care about men's issues you just wish to stop women campaigning on theirs.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The three you've mentioned all are political activist movements. What on earth do you think the Conservative party is? It's a political activist movement. That has fierce disagreements and a wider variety of views on issues.
    It's a political party. Feminism is more akin to a pressure group than a political or economic ideology.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    The idea that everyone in a movement must all have the same aim is ridiculous. They all focus on women's issues. Women's equality is just one issue. Others include female poverty, prostitution etc.
    I didn't say they must have the same aims, I said the aims can't be conflicting.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Your criticism is absurd because you apply it only to feminism and to nothing else.
    This thread is about feminism, hence why I'm talking about it.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It proves my point about the MRA lot, you don't care about men's issues you just wish to stop women campaigning on theirs.
    When did I say I was an MRA?



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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You asked for my opinion for no reason. I gave it and now you're getting all sensitive.

    I mentioned you in one sentence, I wrote a good few paragraphs which had nothing to do with you.

    Of course all abuse is awful. What more do you want? What are you trying to imply?
    If all abuse is awful then it should be militated against equally. Words aren't
    good enough.

    By focusing only on women's issues, and responding to female victims with "campaigning" and male ones with "condemnation" you are putting up an entirely arbitrary cordon sanitaire.

    "Condemnation" is what politicians do when they don't really care about something but know they have to look all serious and concerned for the cameras. And it adds nothing to the debate: precisely what sort of person would fail to condemn domestic violence against men? It's a non-position and a very unattractive one. I would far rather you were honest with yourself and said you just don't care about men: don't worry, it's natural for men to care more about women than other men.

    The only time when campaigning on "[group]'s issues" rather than "issues X, Y and Z" is in any way valid is when that group is systematically disadvantaged in a large majority of areas X, Y and Z. This is patently not the case with women, especially not with domestic abuse.

    You don't even have the excuse of being a woman yourself and thus more likely to empathise with other women.
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    (Original post by Savage R3N3GAD3)
    I am one of those men. I can sympathise with their plight. I get beaten up very regularly by my violent girlfriend.
    You okay Tyrone?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    If all abuse is awful then it should be militated against equally. Words aren't
    good enough.

    By focusing only on women's issues, and responding to female victims with "campaigning" and male ones with "condemnation" you are putting up an entirely arbitrary cordon sanitaire.

    "Condemnation" is what politicians do when they don't really care about something but know they have to look all serious and concerned for the cameras. And it adds nothing to the debate: precisely what sort of person would fail to condemn domestic violence against men? It's a non-position and a very unattractive one. I would far rather you were honest with yourself and said you just don't care about men: don't worry, it's natural for men to care more about women than other men.

    The only time when campaigning on "[group]'s issues" rather than "issues X, Y and Z" is in any way valid is when that group is systematically disadvantaged in a large majority of areas X, Y and Z. This is patently not the case with women, especially not with domestic abuse.

    You don't even have the excuse of being a woman yourself and thus more likely to empathise with other women.
    Few reasons.
    Largely abuse against women by men is far more prevalent and far more physical. It's a more prevalent issue which warrants greater action because of the numbers.

    In the same way that knife crime would be viewed more seriously than hitting someone with an iron. Not to say one is worse or better but focus on the more prevalent issue.

    Secondly there's the issue of physicality. Generally, generally a male partner is better able to physically defend himself. No that doesn't justify it excuse anything, but you would say they are less in danger, considerably.

    I condemn and campaign on all abuse of course I do. But what I can't stand is people using this statistic to try and take an anti woman , anti feminist approach. Just look at the type of people you are agreeing with here, far right, women hating lonely men. I know you're not one of them.

    You seem to be implying that I must condemn both issues equally when the scale of the problem is very unequal.

    Given that women are far more at risk of both physical and sexual abuse there is no issue with putting that as a higher priority.
    That doesn't mean any Indivudal case is worse but as a general theme it requires greater attention. In the same way knife crime currently needs greater attention than gun crime . Not because it's worse but because it's so more prevalent.
    All abuse is wrong, but the majority of it happens on women by men. Both physically and sexually.

    As I've said I've done far more for men's issues than most by campaigning on issues such as austerity and mental health, with poverty and mental health issues being the two biggest causes of male suicide. Yet the MRA are conveniently quiet on both.
 
 
 
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