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Suprised The huffington post is saying this.
Edit: I don't care about the heritage of the accused, reactionaries this thread is not for you.
Edit: I don't care about the heritage of the accused, reactionaries this thread is not for you.
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In rape cases, there should be complete anonymity for both the victim and accused, unless waived by either the accused or the victim.
Those convicted of false rape allegations should similarly be given anonymity.
Those convicted of false rape allegations should similarly be given anonymity.
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Yes. I do not understand why this is not already the case. When newspapers report about murder, they usually give a suspect anonymity until he is charged, don't they? I don't know the law behind this but it seems to me murder articles usually just say things like a "41-year old man was arrested" - no names until it is at trial.
Oh, I just saw this is about anonymity when it's already at trial - ok then, one should simply grant (media) anonymity for all accused until they are actually convicted. NB It is difficult to grant complete anonymity unless you make courtrooms no-access like family courts where nobody knows what is happening. I think that is open to abuse.
There is also another thing - in England people are only found "guilty" or "not guilty" (not enough evidence). Whereas I think in Scotland, you can actually be found "innocent".
Oh, I just saw this is about anonymity when it's already at trial - ok then, one should simply grant (media) anonymity for all accused until they are actually convicted. NB It is difficult to grant complete anonymity unless you make courtrooms no-access like family courts where nobody knows what is happening. I think that is open to abuse.
There is also another thing - in England people are only found "guilty" or "not guilty" (not enough evidence). Whereas I think in Scotland, you can actually be found "innocent".
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(Original post by the bear)
the penalties for false rape allegations should match those for rape.
the penalties for false rape allegations should match those for rape.
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(Original post by abruiseonthesky)
How do you prove it's a false accusation though? I mean if the accused has solid alibis etc. then fair enough but what if it's just an acquittal due to lack of evidence, not conclusive proof of innocence if that makes sense?
How do you prove it's a false accusation though? I mean if the accused has solid alibis etc. then fair enough but what if it's just an acquittal due to lack of evidence, not conclusive proof of innocence if that makes sense?
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-...pe-claims.html
16 months for 11 false rape claims is a ****ing joke.
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(Original post by the bear)
innocence is assumed, guilt has to be proven. cases such as this demand proper punishment:
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-...pe-claims.html
16 months for 11 false rape claims is a ****ing joke.
innocence is assumed, guilt has to be proven. cases such as this demand proper punishment:
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-...pe-claims.html
16 months for 11 false rape claims is a ****ing joke.
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(Original post by llys)
Yes. I do not understand why this is not already the case. When newspapers report about murder, they usually give a suspect anonymity until he is charged, don't they? I don't know the law behind this but it seems to me murder articles usually just say things like a "41-year old man was arrested" - no names until it is at trial.
Oh, I just saw this is about anonymity when it's already at trial - ok then, one should simply grant (media) anonymity for all accused until they are actually convicted. NB It is difficult to grant complete anonymity unless you make courtrooms no-access like family courts where nobody knows what is happening. I think that is open to abuse.
There is also another thing - in England people are only found "guilty" or "not guilty" (not enough evidence). Whereas I think in Scotland, you can actually be found "innocent".
Yes. I do not understand why this is not already the case. When newspapers report about murder, they usually give a suspect anonymity until he is charged, don't they? I don't know the law behind this but it seems to me murder articles usually just say things like a "41-year old man was arrested" - no names until it is at trial.
Oh, I just saw this is about anonymity when it's already at trial - ok then, one should simply grant (media) anonymity for all accused until they are actually convicted. NB It is difficult to grant complete anonymity unless you make courtrooms no-access like family courts where nobody knows what is happening. I think that is open to abuse.
There is also another thing - in England people are only found "guilty" or "not guilty" (not enough evidence). Whereas I think in Scotland, you can actually be found "innocent".
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(Original post by abruiseonthesky)
Yes, but that means the guilt of the accuser has to be proven too, e.g. I knew I didn't have enough proof for even an investigation; does that mean any report I may have made is automatically false? No. That was my point - how do you prove it's false?
Yes, but that means the guilt of the accuser has to be proven too, e.g. I knew I didn't have enough proof for even an investigation; does that mean any report I may have made is automatically false? No. That was my point - how do you prove it's false?
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(Original post by the bear)
if someone is raped then they should report it. if they were not raped they should not report it.
if someone is raped then they should report it. if they were not raped they should not report it.
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(Original post by Nununu)
I thought it was not guilty, guilty or not proven, in Scotland, I didn't know you can find someone " innocent'. What a silly country, lol.
I thought it was not guilty, guilty or not proven, in Scotland, I didn't know you can find someone " innocent'. What a silly country, lol.
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Yeah I think they should be allowed to remain anonymous until convicted of the crime.
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(Original post by abruiseonthesky)
That's not what I'm saying. That's a given. What I'm asking is, how do you know/prove an accusation's fake?
That's not what I'm saying. That's a given. What I'm asking is, how do you know/prove an accusation's fake?
at the moment with the anonymity given to the complainant false accusations are a simple weapon for devious people to cause misery.
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-...pe-claims.html
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(Original post by llys)
Oh, you are right. I must have misread something. Still, I guess then "not guilty" in their case would actually mean innocent.
Oh, you are right. I must have misread something. Still, I guess then "not guilty" in their case would actually mean innocent.
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(Original post by Nununu)
Not guilty =/= innocent.
Not guilty =/= innocent.
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