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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...e-Bennett.html
The winner of the award for nutter of the year so far goes to Natalie Bennett for her hypothesis that "Grouse shooting contributed to the floods".
Most irrelevant comment of the month "“Visiting the Moor, I saw the carcass of a rabbit by the roadside, probably hit by a car, rotting undisturbed – a sign that scavengers and predators are cleared from here – an assumption backed by a metal trap on a fallen tree crossing a stream (probably meant for stoat or weasel I was told)."
The winner of the award for nutter of the year so far goes to Natalie Bennett for her hypothesis that "Grouse shooting contributed to the floods".
Most irrelevant comment of the month "“Visiting the Moor, I saw the carcass of a rabbit by the roadside, probably hit by a car, rotting undisturbed – a sign that scavengers and predators are cleared from here – an assumption backed by a metal trap on a fallen tree crossing a stream (probably meant for stoat or weasel I was told)."
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Seriously, which nutcases actually vote for them?
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The article is titled 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods worse, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett', not 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods happen, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett'.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
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OP clearly can't think for him/herself.
OP clearly can't think for him/herself.
I'm not going to be taking lectures on sustainable living from somebody who thinks that is should be legal to be a member of ISIS or al -Qaeda.
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While I do sympathise with her cause (no grouse shooting pls) she's made a bit of a tenuous link. However, given the actual title of the article, she may be scientifically sound.
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(Original post by Craig1998)
The article is titled 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods worse, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett', not 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods happen, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett'.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
The article is titled 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods worse, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett', not 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods happen, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett'.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
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(Original post by Craig1998)
The article is titled 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods worse, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett', not 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods happen, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett'.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
The article is titled 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods worse, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett', not 'Over-managed grouse moors made floods happen, says Green party leader Natalie Bennett'.
It does seem like a weak argument just to try and promote her agenda to ban grouse shooting, but she hasn't said that the activity directly resulted in the floods.
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Exactly. May be a tenuous link, but may be scientifically sound.
Exactly. May be a tenuous link, but may be scientifically sound.
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(Original post by AlwaysWatching)
It's as scientifically sounds as saying breathing causes Global warming. Well yes theoretically, because CO2, but its negligible.
It's as scientifically sounds as saying breathing causes Global warming. Well yes theoretically, because CO2, but its negligible.
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The title says over-management of the moors for shooting, not shooting itself (the article may say different idk I haven't read it). No shooting = no over-management. Logically sound.
The title says over-management of the moors for shooting, not shooting itself (the article may say different idk I haven't read it). No shooting = no over-management. Logically sound.
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“These comments sadly come from a position of ignorance. The conservation benefits of grouse moor management are well documented.
"Indeed, just this week the combined efforts of grouse moor owners and conservation charities such as the RSPB were formalised with the publication of the Hen Harrier Joint Action Plan, to boost numbers of this bird of prey.
“Blaming grouse moors for flooding is far too simplistic.
“If you were to visit a grouse moor as Natalie Bennett has apparently done, you would see five times as many threatened waders as you would on a moor without a gamekeeper and maybe a black grouse - 96 per cent of which live on the edges of moorland managed for grouse shooting.
"This is testament to the nearly £250 million shoot providers spend on conservation each year.”
"Indeed, just this week the combined efforts of grouse moor owners and conservation charities such as the RSPB were formalised with the publication of the Hen Harrier Joint Action Plan, to boost numbers of this bird of prey.
“Blaming grouse moors for flooding is far too simplistic.
“If you were to visit a grouse moor as Natalie Bennett has apparently done, you would see five times as many threatened waders as you would on a moor without a gamekeeper and maybe a black grouse - 96 per cent of which live on the edges of moorland managed for grouse shooting.
"This is testament to the nearly £250 million shoot providers spend on conservation each year.”
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The Green party is kinda the lead on environmental issues. I'd listen to them on that - and I would ignore whatever the government says on the environment. They seem to take what their scientific advisers say and do the complete opposite.
The Green party is kinda the lead on environmental issues. I'd listen to them on that - and I would ignore whatever the government says on the environment. They seem to take what their scientific advisers say and do the complete opposite.
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She's blaming the worse extent of the floods on grouse shooting. It's pathetic and stupid. Nobody actually thinks that right?
She's blaming the worse extent of the floods on grouse shooting. It's pathetic and stupid. Nobody actually thinks that right?
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Death to the Green party!
Seriously, which nutcases actually vote for them?
Death to the Green party!
Seriously, which nutcases actually vote for them?
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(Original post by abruiseonthesky)
The title says over-management of the moors for shooting, not shooting itself (the article may say different idk I haven't read it). No shooting = no over-management. Logically sound.
The title says over-management of the moors for shooting, not shooting itself (the article may say different idk I haven't read it). No shooting = no over-management. Logically sound.
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(Original post by Greenlaner)
Compared to activities such as hill farming and grazing, grouse shooting has very little impact on moors and upland areas. Just go to any moorland that is primarily managed for grouse shooting and see with your own eyes how much more biodiverse they tend to be than land mainly used for grazing.
Compared to activities such as hill farming and grazing, grouse shooting has very little impact on moors and upland areas. Just go to any moorland that is primarily managed for grouse shooting and see with your own eyes how much more biodiverse they tend to be than land mainly used for grazing.
In the last few years there has been a change in the way some grouse moors have been managed. Ditches have dug that mean the moors drain more quickly. There is a view that this adds to flooding. There is another view to the contrary. When the RSPB looked into this recently, it found that there was insufficient evidence either way. This isn't about biodiversity nor is it about grouse shooting per se but about one particular technique for managing grouse moors. The Bennett woman, if she is capable of understanding this, isn't capable of expressing it.
As the landowners on the tops, usually also own at least some of the land below, they are as much interested in the land below not flooding as they are in the moors.
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