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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
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    (Original post by lustawny)
    There may not be Christian extremists, but there is certainly plenty of extremely retarded Christians. Last time I checked, 60% of Americans believe that the Noah's Ark story is literally true. How is this something to be lamented?
    But that isn't potentially harmful to you. The first half of what he's saying is true but he's looking at it from the wrong perspective. Being Muslim doesn't automatically make you violent, the problem isn't with Muslims in general but violent people who are Muslim


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    But that isn't potentially harmful to you. The first half of what he's saying is true but he's looking at it from the wrong perspective. Being Muslim doesn't automatically make you violent, the problem isn't with Muslims in general but violent people who are Muslim
    It's harmful to us as a species, if it has the potential to stunt our intelligence in such a way as to make us believe that it's physically possible to fill a wooden boat with at least 10 million animals.
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    (Original post by Alexion)
    A decline in Christianity does not have any links with a rise in Islam. So I fail to see the relevance of his comments.
    From a historical perspective, Christianity was a strong, unifying force for Europeans, it could make them put aside their petty political differences and unite under one banner against a common threat. Certainly I think without that, much of Europe probably would have been subjugated by Islam, in much the same way the Indian subcontinent was (which had no one unifying faith and a culture that had never seen the kind of violence and terror like that which the Muslims inflicted on them. They were completely unprepared against such a threat).

    Will the decline in Christianity in the modern West leave a vacuum for Islam to fill? I doubt it. I would argue that modern Western principles such as secularism, individual libery, freedom of expression and thought ect, act as the new unifying bullwark against theocratic systems such as Islam. We are already seeing the beginnings of a pushback across Europe following recent unprecedented levels of Islamic migration. I'm fairly confident Western people will never allow Islam to gain any foothold in our countries, no matter how much naive liberals and feckless politicans attempt to facilitate it.
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    Atheism is worse than Islam. Atheism destroys a society. Islam, while false and barbaric, doesn't do this and focuses on the birth rate and raising of children which are necessary for a society's future.
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    Atheism is worse than Islam. Atheism destroys a society. Islam, while false and barbaric, doesn't do this and focuses on the birth rate and raising of children which are necessary for a society's future.
    Are you being serious here...?
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    (Original post by 31/03/1492)
    Atheism is worse than Islam. Atheism destroys a society. Islam, while false and barbaric, doesn't do this and focuses on the birth rate and raising of children which are necessary for a society's future.
    Troll, 1/10
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
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    How would that be trolling?

    Seems like a reasonable opinion to me.
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    How would that be trolling?

    Seems like a reasonable opinion to me.
    How does atheism in and of itself destroy a society?
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    How does atheism in and of itself destroy a society?
    Because it leads to nihilism. Leads to anti-natalism, people only caring about themselves, people practicing all forms of sexual perversion, nothing being sacred, feminism which means androgyny and people not having children etc.
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Because it leads to nihilism. Leads to anti-natalism, people only caring about themselves, people practicing all forms of sexual perversion, nothing being sacred, feminism which means androgyny and people not having children etc.
    Nonsense. How does atheism mean people only think about themselves? This is a junk argument with no evidence in its favour.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Nonsense. How does atheism means people only think about themselves? This is a junk argument with no evidence in its favour.
    Why aren't you addressing the rest?

    Because it leads to nihilism as Nietzsche thought it might. It means that no one (or large numbers of people) thinks there aren't objective morals and no punishment if they do something immoral.
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Why aren't you addressing the rest?

    Because it leads to nihilism as Nietzsche thought it might. It means that no one (or large numbers of people) thinks there aren't objective morals and no punishment if they do something immoral.
    And you think religion lays the foundation for good morals, do you?
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Why aren't you addressing the rest?

    Because it leads to nihilism as Nietzsche thought it might. It means that no one (or large numbers of people) thinks there aren't objective morals and no punishment if they do something immoral.
    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Because it leads to nihilism. Leads to anti-natalism, people only caring about themselves, people practicing all forms of sexual perversion, nothing being sacred, feminism which means androgyny and people not having children etc.
    The others are false. Atheism does not lead to nihilism, it is literally a lack of belief in God. It holds no dogma or doctrine, so you linking those things to atheism is void.

    Second, your larger point about morality is absolutely incorrect. Not believing that there are objective morals =/= believing all things are permissible and that there should be no punishment for it, that is rubbish. Most atheists live perfectly moral lives and will have a sense of right and wrong, although they will usually admit it's subjective. In addition, you can still believe in God and be a moral nihilist. Again, atheism has no dogma or doctrine.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    The others are false. Atheism does not lead to nihilism, it is literally a lack of belief in God. It holds no dogma or doctrine, so you linking those things to atheism is void.
    It does not hold a doctrine i.e. that God doesn't exist or that it is more likely that he doesn't than does exist. This (often) leads to nihilism because without a central reference point or cause for everything, things become confused, random and meaningless.

    Also if atheism does not lead to nihilism (never?) explain the past 100 years where nihilism has become more common as strong religious faith has become much less common.

    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Second, your larger point about morality is absolutely incorrect. Not believing that there are objective morals =/= believing all things are permissible and that there should be no punishment for it, that is rubbish. Most atheists live perfectly moral lives and will have a sense of right and wrong, although they will usually admit it's subjective. In addition, you can still believe in God and be a moral nihilist. Again, atheism has no dogma or doctrine.
    I'd say that most atheists are complete degenerates. Not all but most.

    It doesn't necessarily mean that but it often does because it is hard to get to universal morals that everyone agrees on and justify them without God.

    How are the others false? You realise atheists have significantly less children than religious people?
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    It does not hold a doctrine i.e. that God doesn't exist or that it is more likely that he doesn't than does exist. This (often) leads to nihilism because without a central reference point or cause for everything, things become confused, random and meaningless.

    Also if atheism does not lead to nihilism (never?) explain the past 100 years where nihilism has become more common as strong religious faith has become much less common.
    False, atheism holds no doctrine, it is not a faith or a religion.

    I'd say that most atheists are complete degenerates. Not all but most.
    Confirmed troll, not continuing with this.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    False, atheism holds no doctrine, it is not a faith or a religion.

    Confirmed troll, not continuing with this.
    Will you actually make any arguments? Or address any points?

    Why has fertility gone down (causing an existential crisis) while the West has become more secular?
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Because it leads to nihilism. Leads to anti-natalism, people only caring about themselves, people practicing all forms of sexual perversion, nothing being sacred, feminism which means androgyny and people not having children etc.
    Really? Forgot about the cases of pedophiles in the Catholic Church?
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    (Original post by Vikingninja)
    Really? Forgot about the cases of pedophiles in the Catholic Church?
    1 - Not the only example of paedophilia obviously. Per capita actually quite low as far as I understand.

    2 - This happened after Vatican II when the Church was corrupted to fit the NWO agenda and forced to adopt liberalism and drop anything that mind offend the Jews even if truthful/biblical.
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    (Original post by DeusVult)
    Will you actually make any arguments? Or address any points?

    Why has fertility gone down (causing an existential crisis) while the West has become more secular?
    You're a troll which a very quick search of your post history proves.

    Second, birth rates decrease as education and development increase. There is no causal link to atheism, and what is the problem with birth rates decreasing anyway? It's not like there's a shortage of people in the world, if anything it's overpopulation which is the problem.

    And very odd that you seem to be equating lower birth rates to existential crises when the link between the two is non-existent.
 
 
 
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