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    (Original post by Maker)
    Your ignorance is very pronounced in this thread.
    let's take your word for it. even if ukraine had nukes, how would that have helped them (which was your initial assertion)?
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    (Original post by pringles 4 days)
    let's take your word for it. even if ukraine had nukes, how would that have helped them (which was your initial assertion)?
    My mum told me not to talk to idiots, except relatives.
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    Submarines could be used for other things and could still fire conventional warheads, like Tomahawks missiles.
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    (Original post by SonOfTheGun)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35337432


    Another gem from Jezbollah, apparently he also drives a car without wheels
    I don't think he actually drives - he's always on his bike.
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    (Original post by NoPunInThisName)
    Even as a Corbyn supporter, I have to take a step back and think, "that's a little bit of insane right there".

    Still, unilateral disarmament is the way forward and those who disagree, well, is violence and aggression the solution?
    What? This is overstepping the line? Good god, what is the size of the pitch are playing on?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    My mum told me not to talk to idiots, except relatives.
    shame you didnt have a father around to teach you respect
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    (Original post by TunaTunnel)
    The fact we haven't needed to use one because we have them shows their worth actually.
    Well that's pretty much what I said. Geting rid would be the most foolish thing this country has done since joining the EU.
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    (Original post by pringles 4 days)
    shame you didnt have a father around to teach you respect
    My mum always told my dad what to say. The truth hurts.
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    Not having Trident makes a nuclear war more likely since Trident can be a first or second strike weapon but if the UK had to rely on air dropped nuclear bombs, a proportion of the planes carrying them would have to be in air all the time increasing the risk of an accident or misinterpretation by the opposition.

    Trident is much safer than other forms of nuclear deterrent.
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    (Original post by NoPunInThisName)
    Even as a Corbyn supporter, I have to take a step back and think, "that's a little bit of insane right there".

    Still, unilateral disarmament is the way forward and those who disagree, well, is violence and aggression the solution?
    Yes, all those aggressive nuclear wars that have happened in the 70 years nukes have been around.

    I don't understand Corbyn's die hard anti-nuke stance. it's like a personal vendetta. He doesn't even understand their use and he's demonstraited his idiocy on several occasions now.

    He's even undermined the UK's defence already by what he's said on international television, so i'm quite confident in labeling the man a complete idiot.

    Unilateral disarmarment is pie in the sky, like most of Corbyn's defence ideas. Learn this, throwing away your weapons don't mean you won't get murdered.

    As long as Russia has nukes, Europe needs them as well. Currently only France and the UK have them to protect the entirety of the EU. (Yes, US in NATO but not on continent)

    The idea is they sit in their silos their entire life and never hurt anyone, just like all nukes have since their creation and first use on Japan.

    Not having them leaves you open to political blackmail and all sorts of nasty stuff.

    The current Status Quo is the best idea.

    Labor and Corbyn are a joke right now.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    Submarines could be used for other things and could still fire conventional warheads, like Tomahawks missiles.
    So build more of the Astute Class. Corbyn wants to design an entirely new submarine class to appease the unions. Corbyn has again proved he has little to no understanding of issues around nuclear weapons.
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    (Original post by Pegasus2)
    Yes, all those aggressive nuclear wars that have happened in the 70 years nukes have been around.

    I don't understand Corbyn's die hard anti-nuke stance. it's like a personal vendetta. He doesn't even understand their use and he's demonstraited his idiocy on several occasions now.

    He's even undermined the UK's defence already by what he's said on international television, so i'm quite confident in labeling the man a complete idiot.

    Unilateral disarmarment is pie in the sky, like most of Corbyn's defence ideas. Learn this, throwing away your weapons don't mean you won't get murdered.

    As long as Russia has nukes, Europe needs them as well. Currently only France and the UK have them to protect the entirety of the EU. (Yes, US in NATO but not on continent)

    The idea is they sit in their silos their entire life and never hurt anyone, just like all nukes have since their creation and first use on Japan.

    Not having them leaves you open to political blackmail and all sorts of nasty stuff.

    The current Status Quo is the best idea.

    Labor and Corbyn are a joke right now.
    And yet unbelievably, I'd rather them than the Tories who are dismantling this country from the outside-inward.

    Which is more dangerous? A theoretical war against a theoretical enemy or hundreds of deaths due to rises in tax, homes and the cost of living?

    Not defending Corbyn, at all. However, seeing the Tories jump on to this like a dog with a bone has been quite hilarious; like they have any ground to go on.
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    (Original post by AlwaysWatching)
    What? This is overstepping the line? Good god, what is the size of the pitch are playing on?
    Given Corbyn's shown more humanity in the last six months than Cameron, IDS, Osborne and May combined the last 5/6 years; yes, this is where a line is crossed for me, personally.
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    I have to say this notion that we have to create jobs for jobs sake confuses me.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Corbin is trying to appease the unions. Scraping Trident will cost thousands of well paid jobs in Britain and the unions are completely against this unsurprisingly. But of course its ridiculous to have subs and no missiles. Corbin's defence policies are getting more flaky by the day.
    To be fair, you'd have had to be borderline-retarded to have agreed with any of his opinions on defence and foreign policy to begin with....
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I have to say this notion that we have to create jobs for jobs sake confuses me.
    Why? It was Labour's policy from 1997 until the 2008 recession and the unions loved it (unsurprisingly).

    You didn't think the bloated public sector existed solely of necessary jobs did you?
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Why? It was Labour's policy from 1997 until the 2008 recession and the unions loved it (unsurprisingly).

    You didn't think the bloated public sector existed solely of necessary jobs did you?
    There are unnecessary jobs in the private sector as well. It is also hard to measure whether something is worthwhile or not either. Wasted energy, money and manpower is just as bad in private sector as public sector. I don't distinguish it.

    But we can't win. You would be moaning even more profusely if the government was just giving money to people for doing nothing. So they create jobs for them to do for that money... We demand there be 2 million unemployed then complain when there are unemployed people and punish them for it.

    There is also a hysterical daily mail element to this with mindless bashing of the public sector cos socialism huh duh

    Until you start supporting concepts and ideas such as basic income you can climb down from your right wing high horse buddy boy.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    There are unnecessary jobs in the private sector as well. It is also hard to measure whether something is worthwhile or not either. Wasted energy, money and manpower is just as bad in private sector as public sector. I don't distinguish it.

    But we can't win. You would be moaning even more profusely if the government was just giving money to people for doing nothing. So they create jobs for them to do for that money... We demand there be 2 million unemployed then complain when there are unemployed people and punish them for it.

    There is also a hysterical daily mail element to this with mindless bashing of the public sector cos socialism huh duh

    Until you start supporting concepts and ideas such as basic income you can climb down from your right wing high horse buddy boy.
    Most sensible people don't think the men and women operating these subs are doing nothing, most people recognise the necessity of what it is they are doing.
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    Jezza could retask the submarines as multi-sensory activity zones for underprivileged youngsters.
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    (Original post by SonOfTheGun)
    Most sensible people don't think the men and women operating these subs are doing nothing, most people recognise the necessity of what it is they are doing.
    So you support Mr Corbyn's proposals then? Top man.


    They just pilot a sub around the ocean with weapons they will never use whilst useful people develop cancer curing drugs. Now they want to pilot around the ocean with nuclear subs with no nukes. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Give the money to fusion research or something instead.
 
 
 
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