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David Cameron on UK Muslim Communities: "We won’t let women be second-class citizens" Watch

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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    you cannot force integration - it will only build resentment
    Yes you can, on basic levels like this, and fear of sparking resentment is no way to run a country

    Islamic people and their culture are utterly incompatible with western ideals and values. Unless they change it will not happen
    Agreed. Islam is in crisis, and the future of (true) Muslims in the West looks extremely uncertain at this point. An Islamic reformation is doctrinally impossible so there are only two other avenues: jihad (struggle) or bid'ah/riddah (heretical innovation/apostasy); the former is not palatable to humanists/Western cultural Muslims, and the later are extremely severe/mortal sins in Islam. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place :sad:
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    (Original post by abruiseonthesky)
    British Muslim women. I imagine that doesn't include immigrants
    A member of an immigrant people who has attained citizenship is, and shall forever remain, in fact, an immigrant. We've been over this :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    And if the men decide not to let the women go to these classes?
    If the women have had it drilled too hard into thier heads that thier needs and wants dont matter?
    When muslim men rape and beat thier wives to teach them a lesson and to keep them in line?
    When the male leaders of these communities who rule through indoctrinated suppression say "no you cant" what then?

    Where will David Cameron be?
    Flying away on his big private jet with vast sums of money in the bank made from his father's money laundering and failure to pay tax chortling with his rich friends on their private island somewhere with no immigrants allowed. Although Cameron ain't even half as bad as that witch May.
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    (Original post by abruiseonthesky)
    Sorry, have you heard how the Republicans and Tea party (and their supporters) talk about Democrats, let alone Obama?
    Think their comments pertained to the mainstream. Obama has lost all credibility after the incompetent/bully-boy handling of his impromptu EU intervention and the Democrats intend to field an awful, corrupt, Crony Capitalist candidate who actually makes Trump look good! :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Flame Alchemist)
    probably more a result of the left-bias of social media, though
    Correct. See Jo Cox murder vs. EU Referendum, UKIP et al. for a textbook example of how the leftie media spins opportunities to denigrate the right wing ridiculously/hyperbolically. Anyone who still takes the mainstream media (MSM) at face value in 2016 needs their head examined :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by NekoAngel13)
    They should be able to speak some english before they get benefits and handouts
    What, even asylum seekers? :erm:

    They stay in their segregated communities out of choice. They could integrate better if they wanted to but they don't so leave them be
    Many could, but do you know how hard it is to be born into a devout, separatist Muslim family and yet expected, somehow, to integrate? The fault lies with the establishment for ethno-cultural (ideological) illiteracy vs. failing to meet their own (social) sustainability criteria e.g. allowing them in, in the first place/not repatriating them as it's become more and more apparent that they don't belong here
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    (Original post by simbasdragon)
    These issues are no way near as prevalent in the Jewish community
    True, although portions of the Jewish community could certainly do more to integrate/make outsiders feel more welcome/dispel this 'chosen people' narrative
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    (Original post by Heisenberg97)
    Brits have lived here all their lives and don't speak a word of Spanish
    Damn those neo-Imperialist swines! :shakecane:

    On the plus side, any Spaniyards round-abouts gets a head start in learning/befriending English/British before they reach an age at which they can escape the mired Spanish economy and use those skills/connections to their personal advantage! :borat:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Double standards everywhere
    Yes and no. Fact is, British ex-pats contribute massively to these relatively impoverished economies vs. Muslim migrants are major net fiscal beneficiaries (non-EEA migrants cost HM Treasury £15,000,000,000 net p.a.) and cause all manner of cultural, social, and security problems; hence, attitudinal double standard, yes, but practical double standard, no. #RealTalk
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    (Original post by BaconandSauce)
    Do the Spanish people fund these people?
    Not really, on balance, no :scrooge:

    it's up to Spain to decide how to handle this and I wouldn't criticise them for whatever choice they made
    Correct, albeit that their hands are tied with respect to free movement/equal rights for EU citizens :beard:
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Is it because Muslims tend to generally vote Labour and David Cameron is simply trying to score political points by castigating a minority?
    Too black and white, but yes this is part of the rationale, particularly given the threat to his party posed by UKIP, and the threat to society posed by the far-right. There is merit to his madness with this policy, and the burkini ban debate has ignited it
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Does it really matter who funds the people? Is your argument about economics or is it about integration?
    Yup. Quite apart from (highly significant [£17bn]) pure financial concerns, economic investiture vs. a culture of entitlement, is highly poignant in terms of social ills related to failed multiculturalism e.g. with respect to integration (lack thereof). #WiseUp
 
 
 
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