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Corbyn refers to ISIS' "strong points" and alludes to giving up Falklands

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Original post by JezWeCan!
It is pretty bizarre to claim that everyone's condemnation of torture, beheading, crucifixion, the taking and trading of women as sex slaves, and the blowing up of the marvels of classical civilisation (including just recently a monastery which has been standing fourteen hundred years) is "virtue signalling???"

And what exactly is Corbyn right about vis a vis IS? He says we should talk to them. About what?

JC: "How are you Jihadi Sid?"

JS: "A bit tired Jeremy, mate. Lopping off heads with a small knife is hard work, but someone's got to do it and it might as well be me. There are compensations though. I bought a lovely Yazidi girl at the slave market today and can't wait to rape her. Enough of me, though, how can I help?

JC: "I was wondering if you might like to discuss what it would take to end this war, so we could all live in peace?"

JS: No worries, we can achieve that. The whole world has to submit to Allah, every woman in the UK has to wear a Burka, we need Sharia Law 4 the UK, all Kaffirs have to pay the Jizya, and the black flag of ISIS must fly over Number 10 Downing Street. Happy with that?"


JC: Absolutely not, try again.

It is, incidentally, the precise definition of virtue signalling to say something you know everyone in the room already agrees with.

It's the equivalent of Donald Trump chanting U-S-A or the Labour conference singing The Red Flag.

Theee is absolutely no point in insisting people preface their comments about ISIS with murderers etc etc and outlining the awful stuff they have been up to. We all know that already, plus it obfuscates the business of working out how to beat them, wastes energy on feel-good back-slapping, and means people who want to get on with doing something about it are called sympathisers and their ideas rubbished. Same as all propaganda drives. And same as what you criticise the Corbynite Labour Party for doing...
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Original post by JezWeCan!
It is pretty bizarre to claim that everyone's condemnation of torture, beheading, crucifixion, the taking and trading of women as sex slaves, and the blowing up of the marvels of classical civilisation (including just recently a monastery which has been standing fourteen hundred years) is "virtue signalling???"

And what exactly is Corbyn right about vis a vis IS? He says we should talk to them. About what?

JC: "How are you Jihadi Sid?"

JS: "A bit tired Jeremy, mate. Lopping off heads with a small knife is hard work, but someone's got to do it and it might as well be me. There are compensations though. I bought a lovely Yazidi girl at the slave market today and can't wait to rape her. Enough of me, though, how can I help?

JC: "I was wondering if you might like to discuss what it would take to end this war, so we could all live in peace?"

JS: No worries, we can achieve that. The whole world has to submit to Allah, every woman in the UK has to wear a Burka, we need Sharia Law 4 the UK, all Kaffirs have to pay the Jizya, and the black flag of ISIS must fly over Number 10 Downing Street. Happy with that?"


It was a vaguely satirical comment about how ridiculous society has become when i need to disclaim i dont agree with ISIS simply by virtue of saying something positive about them. Even assuming i was deriding it, it still is virtue signalling - it is by definition the signalling of someones virtues so your entire point is ridiculous as any statement of personal morality or inclination is virtue signalling, representing yourself what you believe positively by right of opinion. I suppose generally it is taken to mean a falsity of opinion however i wasnt applying it in that context but rather a satirical one.

evidently by virtue of the thread title he didnt merely say 'lets have a chat' which is obviously true as no discussion about ISIS is that casual. Instead of arguing anything I've actually said you've gone off on a rant for no reason and quoted me in it, of course allowing IS to dominate the UK is against UK values as is self evident by the fact its a war of ideology.
Original post by GonvilleBromhead
It was a vaguely satirical comment about how ridiculous society has become when i need to disclaim i dont agree with ISIS simply by virtue of saying something positive about them. Even assuming i was deriding it, it still is virtue signalling - it is by definition the signalling of someones virtues so your entire point is ridiculous as any statement of personal morality or inclination is virtue signalling, representing yourself what you believe positively by right of opinion. I suppose generally it is taken to mean a falsity of opinion however i wasnt applying it in that context but rather a satirical one.

evidently by virtue of the thread title he didnt merely say 'lets have a chat' which is obviously true as no discussion about ISIS is that casual. Instead of arguing anything I've actually said you've gone off on a rant for no reason and quoted me in it, of course allowing IS to dominate the UK is against UK values as is self evident by the fact its a war of ideology.


What point are you making? My argument is that with Islamist nut jobs there is nothing to discuss. Therefore Corbyn is being naive, dangerously naive, in thinking there is.

What can we offer them that they want? This war started BEFORE either the first or second Gulf Wars. Even if the West has no involvement in the Middle East they will still attack us.

They want to recapture Spain, they want to conquer Rome. They want the black flag of IS flying over Number 10 Downing Street.

Do we talk to them about that? And if so, what do we say?
Original post by redferry
Every time Corbyn opens his mouth in public he may as well punch all Labour voters in the stomach. Way to undo all the hard work we've put in over the years to build credibility dickhead.



He's a decent man who says what he thinks, which is why the vast majority of the labour electorate voted for him. Tough **** if you don't like it, it's what your fellow party members voted for.

I honestly don't get people. They complain that politicians don't stand up for anything, and then when they do, complain about that instead.

On the last point, Labour as a party had no credibility in the minds of the public anyway. What hard work have you done to build up credibility?
Original post by JezWeCan!
It is pretty bizarre to claim that everyone's condemnation of torture, beheading, crucifixion, the taking and trading of women as sex slaves, and the blowing up of the marvels of classical civilisation (including just recently a monastery which has been standing fourteen hundred years) is "virtue signalling???"

And what exactly is Corbyn right about vis a vis IS? He says we should talk to them. About what?

JC: "How are you Jihadi Sid?"

JS: "A bit tired Jeremy, mate. Lopping off heads with a small knife is hard work, but someone's got to do it and it might as well be me. There are compensations though. I bought a lovely Yazidi girl at the slave market today and can't wait to rape her. Enough of me, though, how can I help?

JC: "I was wondering if you might like to discuss what it would take to end this war, so we could all live in peace?"

JS: No worries, we can achieve that. The whole world has to submit to Allah, every woman in the UK has to wear a Burka, we need Sharia Law 4 the UK, all Kaffirs have to pay the Jizya, and the black flag of ISIS must fly over Number 10 Downing Street. Happy with that?"


:congrats:

Well played Sir !

in top 10 ever posts on TSR.
Original post by the bear
:congrats:

Well played Sir !

in top 10 ever posts on TSR.


Thank you, most kind.

Sometimes I wonder if it is worth calling out the bonkers left. There is only so many times you can point out that the Corbynistas and their ilk are perpetuating a lunatic infatuation with militant Islam. Licking the @rses of the most evil people of our time, it gets tiresome. They are SO stupid.

But comments like yours make it all worthwhile. :smile:
Original post by JezWeCan!
Thank you, most kind.

Sometimes I wonder if it is worth calling out the bonkers left. There is only so many times you can point out that the Corbynistas and their ilk are perpetuating a lunatic infatuation with militant Islam. Licking the @rses of the most evil people of our time, it gets tiresome. They are SO stupid.

But comments like yours make it all worthwhile. :smile:


wealthy Islingtonites like JC are just playing at being socialists.
Original post by EtherealNymph22
The right are just scared of his decency and honesty and will do anything to vilify him.


He seems to be determined to do that job for them
Original post by the bear
wealthy Islingtonites like JC are just playing at being socialists.


Yes. :biggrin:

I laughed when I read that a working class Labour MP is putting a "mansion tax" proposal to the next Labour Conference. Anyone who lives in a house worth more than a million would have to pay £1,000 membership fee for the Party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/14/labour-john-mann-mp-mansion-tax-party-members

Talk about taking the pis@. :smile:
Original post by EtherealNymph22
The right are just scared of his decency and honesty and will do anything to vilify him.


Yes, the right will continue to mercilessly vilify him, that is politics, but you are mistaken if you think they are scared of him.

On the contrary they hope he stays Labour Leader for as long as possible.
Original post by JezWeCan!
Yes, the right will continue to mercilessly vilify him, that is politics, but you are mistaken if you think they are scared of him.

On the contrary they hope he stays Labour Leader for as long as possible.


I agree with you there on reflection. I guess their vilification is a tool to ensure Tory domination forever as opposed to being worried about him contending them.
Original post by EtherealNymph22
I agree with you there on reflection. I guess their vilification is a tool to ensure Tory domination forever as opposed to being worried about him contending them.


Yes.

Changing the subject have you got in on with your "father in law" yet? :biggrin:
Original post by JuliusDS92

I honestly don't get people. They complain that politicians don't stand up for anything, and then when they do, complain about that instead.


I like Boko Haram. They stand for something. It's savage, brainless, violent, misogynist, homophobic, racist and has no place in civilised society, But herr derrr they stand up for stuff and that. That's what matters.
Original post by JuliusDS92
He's a decent man who says what he thinks, which is why the vast majority of the labour electorate voted for him. Tough **** if you don't like it, it's what your fellow party members voted for.

I honestly don't get people. They complain that politicians don't stand up for anything, and then when they do, complain about that instead.

On the last point, Labour as a party had no credibility in the minds of the public anyway. What hard work have you done to build up credibility?


Oh you know, only canvassed thousands of people in 3 target seats, two of which we won, took a week off work before the election to talk to people non stop on the doorstep, spent hundreds of weekends doing leaflet rounds in my constituency, campaigned to save Lewisham hospital alongside my MP and had a consultation with Sadiq Kahn about green issues. Yeah, only that...

So -your turn? (Joining the party for 3 quid and voting for Jezza doesn't count by the way)
Original post by JezWeCan!
Yes. :biggrin:

I laughed when I read that a working class Labour MP is putting a "mansion tax" proposal to the next Labour Conference. Anyone who lives in a house worth more than a million would have to pay £1,000 membership fee for the Party.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/14/labour-john-mann-mp-mansion-tax-party-members

Talk about taking the pis@. :smile:


I don't think most rich mimebers would mind too much, they'd just donate less through the fundraising events. (A lot of people in my ward are stinking rich)
Original post by redferry
Oh you know, only canvassed thousands of people in 3 target seats, two of which we won, took a week off work before the election to talk to people non stop on the doorstep, spent hundreds of weekends doing leaflet rounds in my constituency, campaigned to save Lewisham hospital alongside my MP and had a consultation with Sadiq Kahn about green issues. Yeah, only that...

So -your turn? (Joining the party for 3 quid and voting for Jezza doesn't count by the way)


Well, that's why I asked. All credit to you.

I'm not a member of any party and I can't vote (not a UK citizen). So the most I can be is an interested spectator.
Original post by JuliusDS92
Well, that's why I asked. All credit to you.

I'm not a member of any party and I can't vote (not a UK citizen). So the most I can be is an interested spectator.


Ah so you know nothing about the current dynamics of labour party membership.

Essentially a large proportion of those that regularly put work in and put in a lot of time and effort around the last election are being replaced by newcomers who don't lift a finger to support their hero jezza.
Original post by redferry
Ah so you know nothing about the current dynamics of labour party membership.

Essentially a large proportion of those that regularly put work in and put in a lot of time and effort around the last election are being replaced by newcomers who don't lift a finger to support their hero jezza.


I see. What would be your solution for dealing with something like this?
Original post by JuliusDS92
I see. What would be your solution for dealing with something like this?


I don't think there is one. We just need to wait for the car crash to happen on its own and be ready to rebuild the party when it does. Nothing we can do about it really - we aren't particularly welcome in the party membership as a whole currently which makes dedicating time and money rather depressing. Also its nearly impossible to doorstep when you aren't a huge fan of the leader - personally I can't stand there and lie to people and responding to 'i hate Jeremy corbyn' with 'oh me too' isn't really the message we should be sending!. So we've just got to leave it up to the corbynites to take up the mantle. And if they don't that is on them really. I mean it's not like I didn't try - but I'm not so dedicated to the cause that I'll continue when I'm not enjoying it
Original post by redferry
Oh you know, only canvassed thousands of people in 3 target seats, two of which we won, took a week off work before the election to talk to people non stop on the doorstep, spent hundreds of weekends doing leaflet rounds in my constituency, campaigned to save Lewisham hospital alongside my MP and had a consultation with Sadiq Kahn about green issues. Yeah, only that...

So -your turn? (Joining the party for 3 quid and voting for Jezza doesn't count by the way)


They say when you're debating or arguing, never ask a question to which you don't know the answer. This is why. Julius, she made you look a right knob here. I also like how in the next post, when you realised this, you tried to make out like you were ernestly asking lol.
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