Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free

Turn us Lefties into Tories. Watch

Announcements
    Offline

    20
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The chaos surrounding Operation Able Archer depicted in that show raises what has to be one of the most significant concerns about the nuclear 'deterrent' game - the risk of accident, over-reaction and misinterpretation. There have been a number of incidents in each category that collectively raise serious doubt that it is a safe, stable system. We have in fact come very close to nuclear war in the past, not because of the pre-planned intentions and considered actions of government, but because of the madness inherent in attempting to run systems of such complexity in a launch-on-warning mode and so on, with fallible and sometimes deranged (paranoid) or drunk human beings in charge of it. (The latter I raise because for example there have been multiple incidents of drunkenness recorded at both Soviet and US nuclear bases, not to mention severe incidents of both heavy alcoholism and personality disorder recorded in the UK Trident subs.)

    Then to make matters worse, we have the essential out-datedness of Trident. I'm quite sure that come an actual war, the Russians or the Chinese would be doing everything under the sun, including techniques we are not yet aware of, to isolate, confuse, destabilise, scam or cancel the systems on which these subs are communicated with and make decisions. For sure, countermeasures will be planned, but the rate of progress in communications, submarine drones, advanced hacking and other techniques does not bode well for systems designed decades ago using old computers and (we are told) vintage radio equipment.

    It's a staggering waste of money and effort and it's also bloody dangerous.
    What was also in the show is how little America care about West Germany or Europe in general should a nuclear exchange happen. They were quite willing to sacrifice us. Also that France had its nukes aimed at West Germany :teehee::tehee:
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    You realise they both ditched Communism some time ago, right?
    The damage had already been done. Listen to Yuri Bezmeneov; defector from the KGB, explaining that enemies of the West demoralised them through propaganda and education. It was so successful a campaign that if you try to tell a Westerner the truth, they simply reject reality.

    Truth is, this has very little to do with communism and the subversive destruction of Western civilisation. The first world war had us sending all of our aristocrats to their death. The second world war had us joining forces with Communist Russia, one evil, to defeat the German National Socialists, another evil. Most countries have the intention of eliminating threats to their own sovereignty. Russia is doing this by demoralising the West through their propaganda, and they infiltrated during WWII. Notice: Communist Russia became allies, NAZI Germany became enemies. After NAZI Germany lost the war, they became doubly demoralised also.

    ... And now you have this mass immigration "crisis", where people are happy to be replaced and their women raped and beaten and mugged, because clearly- Germany deserve it.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    It is fact that he spoke at IRA commemorations of their 'war dead'.

    It is a fact that he was co-editor of a magazine that praised the Brighton bombing.

    It is a fact that he invited Gerry Adams to Parliament two weeks after the IRA tried to blow up the Cabinet.

    It is a fact that he refuses to cut links with StWC despite its repeated argument that modern Islamic terrorism is the fault of the West - something even Caroline Lucas resigned over.

    It is a fact that Corbyn refuses to accept the will of the people of the Falkland Islands by insisting there should be at least some shared ownership.

    It is a fact he refused to condemn what the IRA did during the Struggles.

    These aren't attempted smears, they are objective facts.
    Yeah I find it weird how there are people who act like it is some sort of underhanded tactic and an outrage when people - including (some) media outlets - dare to mention stuff like the above. Like it's either untrue (lol) or irrelevant when he's a potential leader of The UK (lol)
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Davij038)
    You've taken in the myth peddled by Galloway and others that Blair was following Bush. If anything, it was the other way around. I don't like Blairs domestic policies or anything he's done after office but I think he was right in his interventions. His biggest crime in my eyes is peddling a lie rather than tell a difficult truth.


    With the 'Imperialism' part I strongly disagree but offer up how I see it at the worse possible light.:

    Even if the only reason that the US intervened in Iraq was to strip state owned utilites this is still vastly preferable via the installation of democracy than keeping those utilities under a crazed dictator.

    I'd rather live in a UK that had all of its public services sold off than live under the regime of someone like Houssain and keep them.
    Quite right. That's not even taking into account his sons. It was a regime guilty of genocide and where people disappeared for speaking out against Saddam.

    I'd say that to put forward an argument against intervention against the Hussein regime on the basis of unsavoury aspects which later featured it like saying apartheid in South Africa should have remained because of people like Winnie Mandela and now Jacob Zuma having power.
    Online

    13
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Quite right. That's not even taking into account his sons. It was a regime guilty of genocide and where people disappeared for speaking out against Saddam.

    I'd say that to put forward an argument against intervention against the Hussein regime on the basis of unsavoury aspects which later featured it like saying apartheid in South Africa should have remained because of people like Winnie Mandela and now Jacob Zuma having power.
    That latter argument whilst essentially right is wrong as apartheid was ended via democratic means.

    What the idiots of the anti war left haven't grasped is that unlike in Iraq this process was possible. Revolution and gradual democratisation is next to impossible in totalitarian regimes- just look at what North Korea has had to endure.
    Offline

    10
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Was just wondering if any you outstanding Tories on TSR would teach us TSR Lefties to become more like you.

    I've been practicing my Tory behavior of the last few weeks. Been writing posts about cutting welfare, betraying students and handing tax cuts to the well off.

    I'm ready to take the next step. Been looking into how I can make 100 or so people lose their jobs, reduce them to absolute poverty, then make them homeless and then go to the local wine bar and order champagne for me and my new Tory mates.

    I find the whole sadist torture really empowering and just telling dole claimants at the job center to get a job fills me which some much joy.

    I'm getting into wealth exploitation now and how to fleece the working class for everything they have. I have to say this is really some great stuff.

    I am wannabe upper class and loving it.
    We don't need to, thirty years of life experience and you'll be as right wing as anyone on TSR.

    We are just ahead of the curve.

    A few of you end up like Jeremy Corbyn of course. Nothing sadder than a middle aged Trot.

    But most student lefties get jobs, mortgages, kids, responsibilities and become more right wing with every passing year. It's called growing up.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    The Cuckservative party are wedded to mass immigration ("to undermine national homogeneity"), favour internationalist integration into a federal EU, bow to every demand of homosexual and transexual pressure groups and regard equality of outcome (with sub-categories for race, sex (sorry, "gender"), et al being required to demonstrate "diversity" ) as an ideal by which "progress" can be measured.

    Leftists who don't support them are in the wrong party.
    Offline

    18
    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    We don't need to, thirty years of life experience and you'll be as right wing as anyone on TSR.

    We are just ahead of the curve.

    A few of you end up like Jeremy Corbyn of course. Nothing sadder than a middle aged Trot.

    But most student lefties get jobs, mortgages, kids, responsibilities and become more right wing with every passing year. It's called growing up.
    illegaltobepoor is already 31, though. Sad indeed... :rofl:
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Davij038)
    That latter argument whilst essentially right is wrong as apartheid was ended via democratic means.

    What the idiots of the anti war left haven't grasped is that unlike in Iraq this process was possible. Revolution and gradual democratisation is next to impossible in totalitarian regimes- just look at what North Korea has had to endure.
    Well sure in as much as SA was forced to give black people suffrage but I take your point nonetheless.
    Offline

    10
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Hydeman)
    illegaltobepoor is already 31, though. Sad indeed... :rofl:
    You are kidding me! My mistake, reading his posts I thought he was about 17...
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Was just wondering if any you outstanding Tories on TSR would teach us TSR Lefties to become more like you.
    Why would I wish to do that? It would mean less money for me.

    If you're happy living as a poor socialist then go for it, leaves more opportunities for me.
    Offline

    18
    (Original post by JezWeCan!)
    You are kidding me! My mistake, reading his posts I thought he was about 17...
    It says so on his profile anyway, I'm just assuming that it's true. :dontknow: You're right about the immaturity though...
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    I don't know where all this hate of the Conservative party is coming from. They are the self professed party of social mobility, social justice and the working class.

    The Tories are just trying to help people lead better lives.

    People are acting like the security they rely on to keep their families warm & fed has been pulled beneath their feet. How can they behave this way when the Tories have actually given them more than Labour ever did.

    The Tories have given people a sense of self-reliance and moral responsibility.

    I use to be one of these people who heckled and mocked the Tories but now I've seen the light and understand that that Conservatism is the only true path for Britain and that putting hard working families first is the way to a more prosperous country.

    Now I'm off because I need to be up early for my next propaganda and social engineering appointment.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    I don't know where all this hate of the Conservative party is coming from. They are the self professed party of social mobility, social justice and the working class.

    The Tories are just trying to help people lead better lives.

    People are acting like the security they rely on to keep their families warm & fed has been pulled beneath their feet. How can they behave this way when the Tories have actually given them more than Labour ever did.

    The Tories have given people a sense of self-reliance and moral responsibility.

    I use to be one of these people who heckled and mocked the Tories but now I've seen the light and understand that that Conservatism is the only true path for Britain and that putting hard working families first is the way to a more prosperous country.

    Now I'm off because I need to be up early for my next propaganda and social engineering appointment.
    This thread isn't particularly funny. I'm sure you think it's cuttingly satirical and edgy, but it's just a bit cringey.
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    This thread isn't particularly funny. I'm sure you think it's cuttingly satirical and edgy, but it's just a bit cringey.
    Agree


    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    Real Tories believe in a mixed constitution which protects the ancient liberties of all British subjects; Tories believe in the dignity and reward of work; the preservation of ancient institutions and the unitary nature of all British peoples; Tories believe in a strong national defence and exporting liberal ideals to other countries; Real Tories believe in community over selfish individualism, preservation of tradition over reckless change, safety over unnecessary risk and culture and decency over barbarianism
    Offline

    15
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Was just wondering if any you outstanding Tories on TSR would teach us TSR Lefties to become more like you.

    I've been practicing my Tory behavior of the last few weeks. Been writing posts about cutting welfare, betraying students and handing tax cuts to the well off.

    I'm ready to take the next step. Been looking into how I can make 100 or so people lose their jobs, reduce them to absolute poverty, then make them homeless and then go to the local wine bar and order champagne for me and my new Tory mates.

    I find the whole sadist torture really empowering and just telling dole claimants at the job center to get a job fills me which some much joy.

    I'm getting into wealth exploitation now and how to fleece the working class for everything they have. I have to say this is really some great stuff.

    I am wannabe upper class and loving it.

    Sickening self-righteousness. In case, you hadn't noticed, the Tories won the last general election.

    Your problem, sir, is with the British people. It's easy enough to pit yourself against a faceless government but the intolerance you show for the views of other Britons is telling.

    The left reveals its contempt for normal people with every passing day.

    SS
    • Political Ambassador
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Was just wondering if any you outstanding Tories on TSR would teach us TSR Lefties to become more like you.

    I've been practicing my Tory behavior of the last few weeks. Been writing posts about cutting welfare, betraying students and handing tax cuts to the well off.

    I'm ready to take the next step. Been looking into how I can make 100 or so people lose their jobs, reduce them to absolute poverty, then make them homeless and then go to the local wine bar and order champagne for me and my new Tory mates.

    I find the whole sadist torture really empowering and just telling dole claimants at the job center to get a job fills me which some much joy.

    I'm getting into wealth exploitation now and how to fleece the working class for everything they have. I have to say this is really some great stuff.

    I am wannabe upper class and loving it.
    One-Nation Toryism might take your fancy. None of this "new-right", Thatcherite nonsense.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Supersaps)
    Sickening self-righteousness. In case, you hadn't noticed, the Tories won the last general election.

    Your problem, sir, is with the British people. It's easy enough to pit yourself against a faceless government but the intolerance you show for the views of other Britons is telling.

    The left reveals its contempt for normal people with every passing day.

    SS
    I am being uber sarcastic. Sorry if your taking this for real.
    Offline

    15
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    I am being uber sarcastic. Sorry if your taking this for real.
    Well, that's embarrassing.
 
 
 
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Should Spain allow Catalonia to declare independence?
    Useful resources

    Groups associated with this forum:

    View associated groups
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.