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    (Original post by Das Ich Man)
    1950s was way better than today tbh so i'll take that as a compliment.
    You speak from experience then?? I take it thats how you know the 50's were better.
    And yes I agree with you, the 50's were better. For white, upperclass, cis, straight men.
    Sh*t for everyone else. If you disagree then, I have to ask, what exactly to you deem to be "better"?
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    You speak from experience then?? I take it thats how you know the 50's were better.
    And yes I agree with you, the 50's were better. For white, upperclass, cis, straight men.
    Sh*t for everyone else. If you disagree then, I have to ask, what exactly to you deem to be "better"?
    Standards of etiquette. (calling someone a ***** in public was just not ok)
    Most people had served in the army and understood the concept of hard work.
    Optimism about rebuilding the world after the war (full employment).
    Excellent fashion sense.
    Decent architecture as modernism had not poisoned it yet.
    University was still a worthwhile institution.
    No multicultural melting pot.
    No globalisation, Egypt didn't have a McDonalds next to the Pyramids.
    Decent music

    Comes to mind
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Why? Why do we need to make up a label for every single gender behaviour? The problem is that *some* people have a stereotypical view of what a male or a female is like. A female can be an aggresive truck driver with short hair, that doesn't make her any less female than someone who is a suburban housewife out of the 1950's. I find the Tumblr gender list incredibly annoying and pointless. Same with all these made up sexualities.

    We're only one step away from calling people who date blondes blondesexual etc. It's just dumb.
    Yeah... I don't like having names for every gender either, but the problem is that these stereotypes still exist and so it's kinda hard to call ppl who really don't feel comfortable in either gender male or female. Same for pronouns. But again, I do wish they weren't needed, and gender was just... unlabeled.

    And sexualities... ppl assume that everyone is only attracted to the opposite gender, so there has to be names for those who are attracted to genders other than just one other gender. If ppl didn't assume everyone was straight it'd be fine and we wouldn't need names for everything, but until this time we have to put up with the various names...
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    (Original post by bichocolatecat)
    Yeah... I don't like having names for every gender either, but the problem is that these stereotypes still exist and so it's kinda hard to call ppl who really don't feel comfortable in either gender male or female. Same for pronouns. But again, I do wish they weren't needed, and gender was just... unlabeled.

    And sexualities... ppl assume that everyone is only attracted to the opposite gender, so there has to be names for those who are attracted to genders other than just one other gender. If ppl didn't assume everyone was straight it'd be fine and we wouldn't need names for everything, but until this time we have to put up with the various names...
    No, we really don't need all this bull****. Such as 'demisexual'. It's not a sexual orientation, plenty of people are only attracted to people sexually after they have formed an emotional connection with them, it has nothing to do with which gender you are attracted to. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals can all feel that way. Sexual orientation is which gender you are attracted to but these days there is a label for every single psychological feeling you can experience. As I said, how long before someone calls themselves blondesexual? Thinsexual? Blueyesexual?
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    (Original post by Das Ich Man)
    Standards of etiquette. (calling someone a ***** in public was just not ok)
    Most people had served in the army and understood the concept of hard work.
    Optimism about rebuilding the world after the war (full employment).
    Excellent fashion sense.
    Decent architecture as modernism had not poisoned it yet.
    University was still a worthwhile institution.
    No multicultural melting pot.
    No globalisation, Egypt didn't have a McDonalds next to the Pyramids.
    Decent music

    Comes to mind
    What exactly does that have to do with what gender someone identifies with??
    You're a real pessimist. I'm saying that the civilisation with live within today is all sunshine and rainbow but you make it sound like a dystopian novel.

    P.S. I'm guessing you typed these messages on some kind of electronic device. Which you or someone that loves you purchased. Commercialism right there. You're contributing to our civilisation moving away from an "ideal" 1950's mentality, and I can assure you, commercialism has been in affect since the dawn of time, its just the superior technology that has advanced it enough to make the change noticeable.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    No, we really don't need all this bull****. Such as 'demisexual'. It's not a sexual orientation, plenty of people are only attracted to people sexually after they have formed an emotional connection with them, it has nothing to do with which gender you are attracted to. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals can all feel that way. Sexual orientation is which gender you are attracted to but these days there is a label for every single psychological feeling you can experience. As I said, how long before someone calls themselves blondesexual? Thinsexual? Blueyesexual?
    Don't be a bigot. It's gross.
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    What exactly does that have to do with what gender someone identifies with??
    You're a real pessimist. I'm saying that the civilisation with live within today is all sunshine and rainbow but you make it sound like a dystopian novel.

    P.S. I'm guessing you typed these messages on some kind of electronic device. Which you or someone that loves you purchased. Commercialism right there. You're contributing to our civilisation moving away from an "ideal" 1950's mentality, and I can assure you, commercialism has been in affect since the dawn of time, its just the superior technology that has advanced it enough to make the change noticeable.
    1950s isn't anti-technology

    Besides i'm not oblivious to the bad points (the Labour party, Korean War, Cold War) I just think standards in aesthetics have declined enormously, and I personally love the arts, so this is the most important issue for me.
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    (Original post by Das Ich Man)
    1950s isn't anti-technology

    Besides i'm not oblivious to the bad points (the Labour party, Korean War, Cold War) I just think standards in aesthetics have declined enormously, and I personally love the arts, so this is the most important issue for me.
    Well if thats an important issue to you, go and talk about it in an arts forum. Don't bring your bigotry into a discussion about gender identity.
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    Don't be a bigot. It's gross.
    Awww no relevant argument? Thank you, you can leave now.
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    Well if thats an important issue to you, go and talk about it in an arts forum. Don't bring your bigotry into a discussion about gender identity.
    Sadly the position of men and women has had an enormous influence on the breakdown of traditional structures that maintained civilised society, which is why teen pregnancy, single parenthood and crime is so rampant. I say this as a single parent child who grew up with a bunch of other single parent children, most of whom went on to be horrible. Fortunately for me I had decent friends from 'white middle class, cis families' What a horrible crime that was
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    Yes,

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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Awww no relevant argument? Thank you, you can leave now.
    I have many relevant arguments but there wouldn't be any point in telling you because it won't change your mind and you'll come back with some badly researched, half-baked argument about gender identity and I'll want to jump off a bridge at the narrow-mindedness you possess. So I have many relevant arguments, I just cannot be asked to waste them on you.
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    I have many relevant arguments but there wouldn't be any point in telling you because it won't change your mind and you'll come back with some badly researched, half-baked argument about gender identity and I'll want to jump off a bridge at the narrow-mindedness you possess. So I have many relevant arguments, I just cannot be asked to waste them on you.
    Thank you for acknowledging that you have lost this argument.
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    (Original post by Das Ich Man)
    Sadly the position of men and women has had an enormous influence on the breakdown of traditional structures that maintained civilised society, which is why teen pregnancy, single parenthood and crime is so rampant. I say this as a single parent child who grew up with a bunch of other single parent children, most of whom went on to be horrible. Fortunately for me I had decent friends from 'white middle class, cis families' What a horrible crime that was
    Crime isn't "so rampant", its just reported on more in the media. It's better documented. Teen pregnancy was actually considered normal oh-so long ago.

    I grew up without a Dad. I went to a grammar school (worst decision of my life but a conversation for another time). All my friends were "white, middle class, cis families". It wasn't a crime, but I grew up with less understanding of other people.
    So don't drag your incorrect assumptions into an argument because you think it'll hurt my poor little feelings.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Thank you for acknowledging that you have lost this argument.
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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    I definitely think that sex exists (ie male, female, intersex depending on what youre born with, however gender is completely different. There are many genders and someones gender identity might not necessarily align with their assigned sex at birth. But gender is just a social construct, for example, red and blue are two separate colours of course, and they have their own characteristics, but mixed together they create purple. We call the new colour purple but really its still a mix of red and blue. We created certain characteristics attached to each sex to form gender, when really, no matter what sex you are, it doesnt defy the gender that you fall under just because it should be along the lines of what we associate with it. Males can like pink, barbie dolls and wearing make up, just as much as females can enjoy blue, football and playing in mud.
    A particular set of genitalia doesn't define what someone should enjoy, whether its activities, sexual orientation or fashion choice.

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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
    What a predictable answer. Or maybe I'm just a fortune teller.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    What a predictable answer. Or maybe I'm just a fortune teller.
    Dude, seriously?
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    (Original post by JHPSC96)
    Dude, seriously?
    Considering you're a banned member, not a new one, you should know I am not a 'dude'.
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    (Original post by driftawaay)
    Considering you're a banned member, not a new one, you should know I am not a 'dude'.
    I call everyone dude... because its a word, not a gender.
 
 
 
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