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    (Original post by ya dunno.....)
    Faith is a dangerous thing to hold onto.

    Faith is the cause for a lot of upset hopefuls on X-factor, who have "faith" that they have a godly voice, but really sound like turd.

    So you see my point faith is like a game of dice.
    but then again faith and hope is the reason why so many people dont commit suicide, why people see a reason to keep going

    plus having faith in god, cant see how that is dangerous, u got nothing to lose
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    And how does your (unfortunatley) horrific life relate to the (very high) possibility of there being a creator, and, therefore, a God of the universe?
    Elaborate? :smug:
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    There is not a very high possibility of there being a creator because there isn't any evidence for one.
    The Big Bang itself points to the possibility of a creator. Unless it just happens to be that a random singularity came into existence, out of absolutely nowhere and nothing, and reacted to create both space and time through a mere, accidental reaction.
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    but then again faith and hope is the reason why so many people dont commit suicide, why people see a reason to keep going

    plus having faith in god, cant see how that is dangerous, u got nothing to lose
    Its dangerous because you are taking a chance, its a gamble,and its not something minor like money thats paper its your whole life.

    People give up their lives and existence, for something that could be a fallacy.

    You see my point their could be creator but I am not wasting my life waiting to find out. I am going to live my life. And whatever happens happens.

    I don't trust faith, its too unfaithful .
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Elaborate? :smug:
    ^ (post above)

    EDIT: the one above the one above
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    The Big Bang itself points to the possibility of a creator. Unless it just happens to be that a random singularity came into existence, out of absolutely nowhere and nothing, and reacted to create both space and time through a mere, accidental reaction.
    Not really. Yes, there is a possibility of there being a god, even Richard Dawkins says he cannot be 100% sure there isn't a god, but this isn't proven by any scientific fact or observation, least of all the Big Bang.

    The singularity could have been eternal for all we know.

    Also, funny you think something can't come out of nothing, so now I ask you this: what did God create the universe from?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)

    plus having faith in god, cant see how that is dangerous, u got nothing to lose
    Pascal's Wager which is immensely flawed. Also, belief can't be faked.
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    (Original post by ya dunno.....)
    Its dangerous because you are taking a chance, its a gamble,and its not something minor like money thats paper its your whole life.

    People give up their lives and existence, for something that could be a fallacy.

    You see my point their could be creator but I am not wasting my life waiting to find out. I am going to live my life. And whatever happens happens.

    I don't trust faith, its too unfaithful .
    you dont say whatever happens happens when thinking of your career or when choosing a partner and this is your whole life, and as i believe, your after life aswell so you wont be wasting your time

    a time comes in everyone life where they question life it might be tomorrow it might b be when youre 85, unable to 'live life', but you cant just not exist any more? like doesnt that blow your mind ? how does nothing feel..

    but obvs i respect all your opinions and this is your life and your decisions to make
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    ^ (post above)

    EDIT: the one above the one above
    If something has no evidence of existing then it's a logical fart to say it also has a very high possibility of existing...
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Not really. Yes, there is a possibility of being a god, even Richard Dawkins says he cannot be 100% sure there isn't a god, but this isn't proven by any scientific fact or observation, least of all the Big Bang.

    The singularity could have been eternal for all we know.

    Also, funny you think something can't come out of nothing, so now I ask you this: what did God create the universe from?
    Perhaps not proven, but does indeed point to the possibility of one. It can't exactly be eternal if the singularity itself created space and time.

    Yes, I don't think something can come out of nothing. It's an incoherent concept.

    I don't know what God created the universe from, I don't hold enough knowledge about physics or God himself to make a judgement on that, but it certainly is a logical and coherent possibility.
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    a time comes in everyone life where they question life it might be tomorrow it might b be when youre 85, unable to 'live life', but you cant just not exist any more? like doesnt that blow your mind ? how does nothing feel..
    Why can't you just stop existing after death? Just because you don't like the thought of that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't what actually happens.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Why can't you just stop existing after death? Just because you don't like the thought of that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't what actually happens.
    i never said i dont like the thought of it??
    im not scared of death if thats what youre implying ...
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    Perhaps not proven, but does indeed point to the possibility of one. It can't exactly be eternal if the singularity itself created space and time.
    No, what I was saying is that the Big Bang in and of itself does not point to a Creator any more than the existence of fairy lights does. There is a possibility of a Creator, this doesn't depend on anything, just like there's a possibility that a giant, green octopus created the universe. Just because it's possible that something exists 9an almost infinite number of things can fit this criteria) doesn't mean it's likely or even realistic.

    Why can't it be eternal? God's supposed to be eternal and he created space and time so this is an incoherent argument from a theist.

    Yes, I don't think something can come out of nothing. It's an incoherent concept.

    I don't know what God created the universe from, I don't hold enough knowledge about physics or God himself to make a judgement on that, but it certainly is a logical and coherent possibility.
    Well this is really quite an admission, because what you are in essence saying is that God is not the only thing that existed before creation.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    If something has no evidence of existing then it's a logical fart to say it also has a very high possibility of existing...
    Okay, forgetting the Big Bang for a moment, what about religious experiences or claims from children of existing in a different life? Are they not a pointer to a God?
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    (Original post by preetg97)
    Are you able to read? Nowhere did I imply that karma is the cause of this persons problems. OP merely asked how a God allows this suffering to take place, and I merely referenced 3 major world religions by saying that it could be down to karma. I didn't even say I believed in karma, so don't try and attack me for my comment or saying that it's a 'disgusting thing to say'. At least I can actually participate in the debate as opposed to being on the thread to complain about other peoples comments and complain about the rep that people get, lol. You must have too much spare time on your hands, clearly.
    I'm sorry for presuming you were believing in it.

    (Just saying, this next part isn't me "I'm sorry, but...", if that makes sense. I'm not doing this to excuse / diminish my apology.)

    You're post did give me reason to say that.

    (Original post by preetg97)
    You realise that there, in some religions, is a thing called karma? That could be an explanation. Don't use your 'terrible life' as an excuse to claim that other peoples beliefs are utter rubbish.
    So karma = "done good in this life (/previous lives) = get good" and vice versa. I never previously knew the previous life part, so I put it in brackets.

    What I can deduce...
    Karma could be an explanation for his terrible life in some religions.
    And saying "that could be an explanation" kinda gives the impression you're considering it yourself, instead of it being purely for academia, playing something akin to Devil's Advocate.
    (And by considering it, implies you're religious yourself, as you did say "in some religions".)
    So "terrible life" reverse-engineered, (must have done) "terrible things".

    (tl;dr/in summary) So he must have done bad things in this life (or previous), because he has a terrible life.
    And you've considered that, in all likelihood.

    So you are neither faultless, for not making your post clear and not prone to misinterpretation (for such an obvious way, in disagreement to your actual beliefs.)

    His "terrible life" wasn't so much as an excuse out of a need to vent, but his reason justifying his belief, I think as well.

    And now you digress in your latest post (the first one quoted), by mentioning about my other comments. And I have participated in debates, plenty of them, in fact. Recently I've just decreased my effort input into this forum so much that I can't be bothered to debate. I'm no longer learning anything from what I debate in. So I now occasionally do it only to educate other people. Though I do plan on branching out.

    And in the conversation, I complained about the medium someone provided for someone to rep (the post.)
    And I complained about the probable motives behind the reps.

    "Don't use your 'terrible life' as an excuse to claim that other peoples beliefs are utter rubbish."

    The implied offence also implies your religious.
    So does you conveniently commenting about my other comment / getting worked up about that, instead of being entirely indifferent (though this one is far less definite.)

    (And don't bother replying if your only response is going to be "stop seeing the implications / you've said "imply" too many times" or something like that.)
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    (Original post by HAnwar)
    Poor you, you've probably had a bad day lol.
    Take a rep from me it'll cheer you up
    Not that I was feeling depressed beforehand and neither have I had a bad day, but I suppose you did just cheer me up; you made me laugh. :laugh:

    I love your assumptive offensive wit. (Offensive by what you're trying to implicate, though I'm not really offended.)
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    No, what I was saying is that the Big Bang in and of itself does not point to a Creator any more than the existence of fairy lights does. There is a possibility of a Creator, this doesn't depend on anything, just like there's a possibility that a giant, green octopus created the universe. Just because it's possible that something exists 9an almost infinite number of things can fit this criteria) doesn't mean it's likely or even realistic.

    Why can't it be eternal? God's supposed to be eternal and he created space and time so this is an incoherent argument from a theist.



    Well this is really quite an admission, because what you are in essence saying is that God is not the only thing that existed before creation.
    The eternity of God refers to him existing outside of time, not within.

    Well, yes, I am. Because it makes more sense for there to be an unmoved mover than something coming out of nothingness.
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    The eternity of God refers to him existing outside of time, not within.

    Well, yes, I am. Because it makes more sense for there to be an unmoved mover than something coming out of nothingness.
    And the singularity would also have existed outside/without time..
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    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    And how does your (unfortunatley) horrific life relate to the (very high) possibility of there being a creator, and, therefore, a God of the universe?
    Absence of evidence is slight evidence for absence (though the decision to whether we have searched enough to claim this is contextual, and also subjective, and an arbitrary one.)

    Well anyway, it just shows that the creator is not benevolent.

    (Original post by fire_and_ice)
    Okay, forgetting the Big Bang for a moment, what about religious experiences or claims from children of existing in a different life? Are they not a pointer to a God?
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