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    (Original post by Aph)
    but the thing is you are assuming that empathy is right and that the causing of pain to others is wrong. That means your fundamental universal ethics rely on external assumptions which are not nessesarly true. Also I would argue that all humans are naturally greedy so is the pursuit of money, power, ect. Also a universally good thing no matter who you stamp on to do it?

    Actually I would argue that it is the exact opposite to relativism!!! If there are universal ethical values then a vote to decide them should find the values.

    Well I completely disagree. I see no reason to suggest that one person is better then another. Especially as all the people you could potentially ask will be bias.
    Firstly I'd like to say I am enjoying this chat hugely but fear it is overshadowing the purpose of this thread so if you wish to debate it further message me or challenge me on the philosophy forum!

    You raise a couple of interesting points which I shall lastly try and clarify my position but I respect you reasoning

    I do not believe in a set human nature and believe that aside from differing natural abilities we are essentially 'programmed' by our environment. I believe that this environment that shapes a person does incorporate universal features even if it is as simple as having clean drinking water- even if the entirety of mankind found nothing wrong with drinking dirty water or thought that it was good to drink it the effects would be the same. I think this trend goes further into social situations-domestic abuse causes universal consequences outside of time and space.

    Morality is ultimately a social construct further damaged by our own impulses. A universal morality based on evidence does not require this. The fact that the earth is pretty much a sphere is true regardless of whether or not people believe it to be the case. The fact that the earth may be destroyed or changed at some point does not preclude us from accepting this reality.

    On your last point about a potential perfect human on an ethical basis. I dont think such a person would be an anomaly but rather part of a far wider process.
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    What party/wing of a party irl would you as a party say you're closest to in terms of ideology?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    What party/wing of a party irl would you as a party say you're closest to in terms of ideology?
    Well I think that's impossible to say, that was the whole point; we are unlike any other party because we hold views that many of the main parties share, but we disagree on others. Bit like a Venn diagram with all the sane ideas in the middle; that's us.
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    If you were to form a government with one other party, who would be your preferred coalition partner from the current crop of parties? Is there any party you would be highly unlikely to ever work with?
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    (Original post by cBay)
    If you were to form a government with one other party, who would be your preferred coalition partner from the current crop of parties? Is there any party you would be highly unlikely to ever work with?
    We all know they want us

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    What's our position defence spending, amount of people in the armed forces and the commitment to the carrier program?
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    (Original post by cBay)
    If you were to form a government with one other party, who would be your preferred coalition partner from the current crop of parties? Is there any party you would be highly unlikely to ever work with?
    I feel like there can't be a cohesive party line with regard to this question for reasons alluded to above. We agree with some parties on some things but not on others.
    This being the case, I don't think it's out of line for me to give my personal opinion on this: I would never, ever be prepared to form a coalition with UKIP or the Conservative party.
    To be clear, this opinion is based on the RL parties as, admittedly, I am ignorant as to how the TSR equivalents differ in policy and vision (I assume the differences aren't huge).
    With all that said, it should be noted that I am not opposed to working with said parties on issues where we hold common ground.
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    I know that I am a dual member, but I'm asking this question as Liberal DL: what is the party's policies on health, particularly mental health, and will you have a spokesperson for health? a noble chance
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I know that I am a dual member, but I'm asking this question as Liberal DL: what is the party's policies on health, particularly mental health, and will you have a spokesperson for health? a noble chance
    We need to look at countries like Singapore which operate excellent healthcare systems at a fraction of the price and see if there is anything we can adopt. At the moment the NHS costs too much money and I am far from convinced that it needs to be spending so much money for equivalent levels of service.

    Mental health obviously requires more money but it is not all about money. There are innovative ideas in tackling current deficiencies and hopefully we will be able to come up with some when we can discuss things as a party.

    Until we grow our active membership the health brief will be shared by the Home and Economy spokesmen

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    What's our position defence spending, amount of people in the armed forces and the commitment to the carrier program?
    Red lines are spending 2% of GDP and retaining Trident
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    (Original post by cBay)
    If you were to form a government with one other party, who would be your preferred coalition partner from the current crop of parties? Is there any party you would be highly unlikely to ever work with?
    I think the Tories and the Liberals are our optimal coalition partners, in that order. I think they are the only two parties we could form a two-party coalition with.

    UKIP and Labour next, in that order.

    I think it is less likely that a coalition with either the Greens or the Socialists would work unless they were suitably counterweighted by another party/parties

    TheThiefOfBagdad Parties on here are definitely not accurate reflections of their RL counterparts!
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    How will the party entertain itself in the 92 days until it has the chance to win a seat in the house and thus the ability to submit legislation freely?
    Also, should you not gain a seat at the next election would you say that would be proof that this party isn't needed?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    What party/wing of a party irl would you as a party say you're closest to in terms of ideology?
    In the favourite Politicians thread in the Politics forum both A noble act and myself placed Hilary Benn on there as well as Ken Clarke. We're either very left wing 'one nation' Conservatives or followers of the Labour 'Old right' .

    Either way we're in a minority!
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    In the favourite Politicians thread in the Politics forum both A noble act and myself placed Hilary Benn on there as well as Ken Clarke. We're either very left wing 'one nation' Conservatives or followers of the Labour 'Old right' .

    Either way we're in a minority!
    Interesting. A bit like Blue Labour then.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    In the favourite Politicians thread in the Politics forum both A noble act and myself placed Hilary Benn on there as well as Ken Clarke. We're either very left wing 'one nation' Conservatives or followers of the Labour 'Old right' .

    Either way we're in a minority!
    so blairite SDP type stance?
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    In the favourite Politicians thread in the Politics forum both A noble act and myself placed Hilary Benn on there as well as Ken Clarke. We're either very left wing 'one nation' Conservatives or followers of the Labour 'Old right' .

    Either way we're in a minority!
    I too would put a Benn down if I were to post (unless I already have), just not Hilary Benn Still it is an interesting idea, a left wing one nation tory party. A bit Blairite, but slightly further perhaps
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    (Original post by Aph)
    so blairite SDP type stance?
    Other than support for the EU which we support and so called neo-conservatism' , we are not really blairite! We probably are closer to Blue Labour as cranbrook_aspie has noted (which was developed as part of a reaction against the Blairist tendency.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    How will the party entertain itself in the 92 days until it has the chance to win a seat in the house and thus the ability to submit legislation freely?
    Also, should you not gain a seat at the next election would you say that would be proof that this party isn't needed?
    Technically speaking we do have two MPs in our party, and nebelbon has kindly offered to submit party bills

    Otherwise we will be building party infrastructure, writing a constitution, expanding our membership etc.

    Yes, but I don't think it is remotely likely that we won't win any seats. How many votes are typically needed for one seat?
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Technically speaking we do have two MPs in our party, and nebelbon has kindly offered to submit party bills

    Otherwise we will be building party infrastructure, writing a constitution, expanding our membership etc.

    Yes, but I don't think it is remotely likely that we will win any seats. How many votes are typically needed for one seat?
    oh, only about half a dozen or so.
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    (Original post by a noble chance)
    Technically speaking we do have two MPs in our party, and nebelbon has kindly offered to submit party bills

    Otherwise we will be building party infrastructure, writing a constitution, expanding our membership etc.

    Yes, but I don't think it is remotely likely that we will win any seats. How many votes are typically needed for one seat?
    Yes, but they are not YOUR MP's so you can't just submit party bills you need an MP sponsor is what I was getting at.

    so you don't think you'll win a seat? and it really depends on turnout. if its like last election then 7 votes would get you a seat. normally you would need closer to 20.,
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    a noble chance please clear your inbox.
 
 
 
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