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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I don't know what alternative paradigms you support but for the politically disengaged left/right is probably more understandable than

    Internationally: Communitarian/ Cosmpolitan
    Economically: Free Trade/ protectionist
    Socially: Liberal/ Conservative
    Militarily: Interventionist/ Libertarian

    And of course there can be a mixture of views too...(This doesnt really represent me for example).

    Think I'll make a thread on this"!
    Oh no, I think it is fine to use the terms left and right wing. Just in some kind of context other than "Corbyn is bad because he is far left" or "Farage is bad because he is right wing" and so on.
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    (Original post by LennyBicknel)
    Just wanna open a discussion here. I'll throw in my opinion to start off -

    I believe that after the Miliband years, Labour definitely needed some TLC. It had become unelectable, untrustworthy, and simply out of touch with the concerns of the people. Was Corbyn the answer to these issues? Not really, in fact he's made them even worse.

    Corbyn has repeatedly given statements and opinions which have only furthered harmed the Labour party, and have only further distanced the party from the opinions of the electorate; this is further worsened when considering that these views often don't align with the general consensus of the Labour party, which, alongside his very clumsy reshuffle of his Shadow Cabinet, only further adds to the disunity he has brought to the party.

    Take his opinion on the Falkland Islands for example - 99.8% of the Falkland's population wished to stay with the UK in a recent referendum, yet he wants to 'power-share' the islands with Argentina? What? Has he no concern for what the actual citizens of the islands think? Then there's his views on Trident - I know nuclear weapons is a controversial issue, but to suggest that removing scrapping the warheads and merely having the submarines as a 'deterrent' is laughable from any angle of the argument.

    But what do I know. What do you think?
    Bang on the money pal.

    And the way he sacked that guy for opposing the Stop The War Campaign's line that we are the cause of terrorism was nothing short of disgraceful. I actually cannot have a shred of respect for anybody who continues to support him after that sorry episode. Though to be fair id class anybody who continues to be affiliated with that toxic group (STWC) as either having gone full retard or to be in contempt of the British people. Or both.

    Labour needs to disassociate itself from these positions if it is to have any hope of gaining power. If you think that positions such as those made by STWC after the Paris attacks and power sharing the Falklands with Argentina has wide appeal with the electorate then you're nothing short of deluded. I'd actually be embarrassed for you if you really thought that.
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    (Original post by F raja)
    He's anti-establishment so anyone whos pro establishment will hate him. There is a reason the media is carrying out a vicious campaign against him. Both him and bernie sanders are too radical for countries that thrive on capitalism. I dont see nothing wrong in about 80% of corbyns policies and I truly belive that England will only prosper under him. He is a leader of the people
    You cannot call him a ''leader of the people" if his views do not represent the views of the general population. He appeals to a very small proportion of the population (i.e students) and the fact that the UK rejected Milliband mainly on the basis that he was too 'left wing' goes to show you that Jeremy Corbyn is not what the people want. The reason the media is carrying out a vicious campaign on him is because he's an idiot. The American media is also carrying out a vicious campaign on Trump - that doesn't mean it's because they feel threatened by him, it's because he too is an idiot. If you actually look at his policies properly and examine their implications, you would realise that there is something wrong with them. Things like 'getting rid of poverty' all sound great on paper, but you need to actually look at the whole picture...
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    No because he is at ends with his party. Few share his views. He only got voted in on the back of liberal students who want it all for free and for everything to be happy and coated with cotton candy. Corbyn has doomed the party in 2020, he needs to be struck out of the party
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    I'm not sure what the net effect of Corbyn's leadership will be. While there are those who are distancing themselves from the party, I know there are many old Labour supporters who were recently apathetic who now have resumed support for the party under his leadship.
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    (Original post by EtherealNymph22)
    He's a breath of fresh air for British politics and he's doing something that is relatively rare- actually representing people's views. He understands the realities of many situations and is a big proponent of reducing inequality which is important not just for the poor but for all of us- the situation is unsustainable.

    Even if he doesn't get elected, his legacy is that he's engaging more people with political issues and that is vital for democracy.

    He also seems like the kind of guy with true morals and wouldn't take being elected as his work done for 5 years, and would work to honour his ideology and policies that got him there in the first place. The trouble with our current so called democracy is that yes, the Torys were voted in fair and square in May but the way they have acted in government to date would markedly reduce that majority if there was another election tomorrow.
    You sound like you're in a cult.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    You sound like you're in a cult.
    If my thinking sounds to you like I'm in a cult then you must be ignorant and blinkered, so I'll take that as a compliment.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    You sound like you're in a cult.
    What I thinks funny is that, other than having different political views the Corbynites sound exactly the same as the Farage-worshipers we had a while ago, where their political hero could do no wrong and every silly thing he did was a smear by the establishment etc etc.
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    I think that he is 'good' in the sense that he has a mandate from the party but if by good you mean electable I don't think he will do well in that regard.

    Having said that, we'll see if he's electable in May's elections. I think he's good in that he is a man of principle.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    What I thinks funny is that, other than having different political views the Corbynites sound exactly the same as the Farage-worshipers we had a while ago, where their political hero could do no wrong and every silly thing he did was a smear by the establishment etc etc.
    Absolutely. When my mum for example is going on about how great Corbyn is, it's exactly the same words being used as when my UKIP mate is talking about Farage and vice versa,

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    Replacing a socially inept geek with a man who looks like he would headbutt you if you looked at him the 'wrong' way.

    Seems logical.
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    (Original post by stefano865)
    Replacing a socially inept geek with a man who looks like he would headbutt you if you looked at him the 'wrong' way.

    Seems logical.
    Uh corbyn doesn't look like that.

    He looks like an elderly repressed maths teacher who rolled through the discounted section at Oxfam
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Absolutely. When my mum for example is going on about how great Corbyn is, it's exactly the same words being used as when my UKIP mate is talking about Farage and vice versa,

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    Or the people who lazily sit on the great centre ground and revel in how they knwo the earth be flat.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    the Corbynites sound exactly the same as the Farage-worshipers we had a while ago, where their political hero could do no wrong
    To be fair, Farage is pretty much immortal in debates.
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    (Original post by TheTechN1304)
    You cannot call him a ''leader of the people" if his views do not represent the views of the general population. He appeals to a very small proportion of the population (i.e students) and the fact that the UK rejected Milliband mainly on the basis that he was too 'left wing' goes to show you that Jeremy Corbyn is not what the people want. The reason the media is carrying out a vicious campaign on him is because he's an idiot. The American media is also carrying out a vicious campaign on Trump - that doesn't mean it's because they feel threatened by him, it's because he too is an idiot. If you actually look at his policies properly and examine their implications, you would realise that there is something wrong with them. Things like 'getting rid of poverty' all sound great on paper, but you need to actually look at the whole picture...
    Summed it up well. Repped.

    Man of the people............has policies most people do not support?
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    (Original post by Kvothe the arcane)
    I'm not sure what the net effect of Corbyn's leadership will be. While there are those who are distancing themselves from the party, I know there are many old Labour supporters who were recently apathetic who now have resumed support for the party under his leadship.
    I'd suggest that when it came down to it, most of those old Labourites actually voted Labour last time and would vote Labour no matter who was the leader. These are the sorts of people who'd never vote Tory, after all.

    Even if there was X number of these people who abstained last time or voted Green or whatever, I'd bet everything I owned, everything I will ever own and everything everyone else owned that X is significantly less than the amount who got turned off by his positions. At the ballot this is.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Uh corbyn doesn't look like that.

    He looks like an elderly repressed maths teacher who rolled through the discounted section at Oxfam

    Yep you're right about the maths teacher thing.

    But I also see immense anger in those eyes. I can tell he would fight someone for the last box of Weetabix in Sainsbury's.
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    (Original post by Joel 96)
    To be fair, Farage is pretty much immortal in debates.
    Because he managed to beat Nick Clegg who is about as popular as Ebola ? Or because he just shouts abuse at the EU parliament?

    Watch him squirm on Lbc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE
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    (Original post by Davij038)

    Watch him squirm on Lbc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyYoL9ngtE
    You mean watch him get constantly interrupted?

    Though I was speaking generally, I was also referring to his recent debate against Carwyn Jones on the EU referendum:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRwkh9o5gk0
 
 
 
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