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    it's totally unfair, and it doesn't mean the kids won't be muslim. why?

    i'd rather be with a decent christian guy than a muslim ******* like this: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3847583
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    i know that everyone sins but I feel like if you're going to follow a religion do it properly, I'd rather just have someone else from another faith who I like and doesn't have double standards like alot of muslim guys, and although may have done some bad things at least is adhering to a lifestyle that permitted that to begin with. wbu?
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    If a Christian man and Christian woman marry, but some time after marriage the woman converts to Islam, does the mere fact that she is now a Muslim mean she must now divorce her husband (assuming he doesn't wish to convert)?
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    If a Christian man and Christian woman marry, but some time after marriage the woman converts to Islam, does the mere fact that she is now a Muslim mean she must now divorce her husband (assuming he doesn't wish to convert)?
    I would be inclined to think so. But then again the whole principle behind why it considered 'bad' for women to marry men outside of their religion was because it was believed that the father would have a greater influence on the religion that the children would adopt. Hence why men of Islam are free to marry Christian and Jews.

    That said, these topics are quite open ended. It's recently that Muslims have been taking religious texts from a cut and dry perspective which I personally believe is the reason behind the growth of fundamentalism. Rather than using religious texts by the Quran as a gentle guideline to living a good life depending on the time you're living in, a lot of Muslims will simply devour the texts with their own construed interpretations and think of it as set in stone.

    Back to the marriage. I believe that back then this would have been applicable. We can safely assume that during those times the father did indeed have a greater influence on the children (particularly the boys). Today however? I would say it's different.
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    (Original post by batoot)
    it's totally unfair, and it doesn't mean the kids won't be muslim. why?

    i'd rather be with a decent christian guy than a muslim ******* like this: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3847583
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    i know that everyone sins but I feel like if you're going to follow a religion do it properly, I'd rather just have someone else from another faith who I like and doesn't have double standards like alot of muslim guys, and although may have done some bad things at least is adhering to a lifestyle that permitted that to begin with. wbu?
    Not all of them are like that, isn't he a bit of a troll though? To directly answer your question, do as you wish. Each to their own. But your question doesn't ask for permission or whether its ok, its asking for for approval/the muslim society in general to accept this - which I doubt will happen.


    (Original post by High Stakes)
    I would be inclined to think so. But then again the whole principle behind why it considered 'bad' for women to marry men outside of their religion was because it was believed that the father would have a greater influence on the religion that the children would adopt. Hence why men of Islam are free to marry Christian and Jews.

    That said, these topics are quite open ended. It's recently that Muslims have been taking religious texts from a cut and dry perspective which I personally believe is the reason behind the growth of fundamentalism. Rather than using religious texts by the Quran as a gentle guideline to living a good life depending on the time you're living in, a lot of Muslims will simply devour the texts with their own construed interpretations and think of it as set in stone.

    Back to the marriage. I believe that back then this would have been applicable. We can safely assume that during those times the father did indeed have a greater influence on the children (particularly the boys). Today however? I would say it's different.
    Just something I read which made me want to respond to this. you said 'which I personally believe is the reason behind the growth of fundamentalism' - I can't disagree with you more. You saying that we have all these problems because people take their scriptures to seriously. You saying, people take too seriously what they believe are the true divine words of God - like come on - this is a futile argument.
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    because islam is intolerant
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    Propagation strategy.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    because islam is intolerant
    Like you are intolerant of Islam too.
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    I'm being brought up as a Hindu. It's hard having the restrictions e.g. no dating girls that are of a different race/religion/culture/etc... Honestly, I've tried asking my parents why, however they can't seem to answer that. (That's how it is, that's how it goes.) People are still hell-bent on "forcing" religion onto their kids. However, it's not even the religion I'm concerned about because I love it, it's the restrictions. It's based mostly on beliefs than anything else. Nowhere in the holy scriptures does it say "you are not allowed to date/marry a person of different race/religion/culture/etc... That's what aggravates me, but I'll have to live with it.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    because islam is intolerant
    Quite a sweeping statement.
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    Everyone has to make their own decisions in life about choosing a partner. Some people think marrying someone of the same gender is wrong
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    (Original post by Legit)
    Like you are intolerant of Islam too.
    I'm intolerant of islam like I'm intolerant of nazism - intolerance of intolerance is a good thing.
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    (Original post by SubZero~)
    Quite a sweeping statement.
    nah not really
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    I'm intolerant of islam like I'm intolerant of nazism - intolerance of intolerance is a good thing.
    Sucks to be you, because you will certainly see Muslims one day. Lets just hope your not in dear need for medical treatment just incase this 'Muslim Doctor' comes to your rescue but your 'intolerant of him/her'
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    I think it's something to do with the girl taking a non Muslim surname or something. If she has kids with a non Muslim the kids wouldn't be "proper" Muslims I think...
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    (Original post by Legit)
    Sucks to be you, because you will certainly see Muslims one day. Lets just hope your not in dear need for medical treatment just incase this 'Muslim Doctor' comes to your rescue but your 'intolerant of him/her'
    I'd let a nazi doctor operate on me if he were to save my life - my life is kind of important. I'm not going to let ideology kill me. but why are we talking about doctors now? was I suggesting that I'd let a muslim doctor neglect to treat me? their profession and their morality are different things. it's not like I'm going to make friends with every person I make contracts/transactions with.
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    Islam being a complete way of life gives us the minutest details of how to live our lives and the roles we have in society. Man by nature tends to be dominant and woman by nature tends to be compromising. This is a fact which cannot be denied. Some women might claim that they are more dominant in their marriage etc and hence it is not always true that men are dominant. Even if I do agree that there are some women who are more dominant as compared to their husbands, these still are rare cases. Like two in a thousand and thus a minority. Islam is a universal religion and thus needs to secure people at a global level and thus in certain issues its rulings are based on the majority rather than minority.

    One might ask here how Islam is securing the woman by its rulings on this matter. Primarily Islam teaches us to believe in all the prophets علیھم السلام that were sent by Allah(swt) to Mankind. Thus a Muslim by default believes in Jesus and Moses علیھما السلام. On the other hand, the Christian does not believe in Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and the Jew does not believe in Muhammad ﷺ nor Jesus علیہ السلام as prophets of Allah(swt). This is a very important point because a Muslim man would by default respect the prophet which his non-Muslim wife believes in but a non-Muslim man would not believe or respect the prophet which his wife believes in. After the couple has children, the non-Muslim wife would teach their child to love and respect the prophet she believes in. The Muslim man would certainly not object if his child is being taught to love Jesus or Moses علیھما السلام. On the other hand the non-Muslim husband might object when his Muslim wife would teach their child about Islam.
    It is highly likely for the man to teach his children the religion he follows. A non-Muslim man with a Muslim wife would then teach their child to be a Christian or Jew. This would mean that the mother would have to be a witness to her child being led onto the wrong path. In such a situation the mother might retaliate by teaching her child the Islamic values and principles. This in turn would lead the relations between the spouses to turn sour. This could also lead to domestic violence.The non-Muslim husband would naturally not recognize Prophet Muhammad ﷺ to be a prophet of Allah(swt) and might object to the Islamic practices of his wife. He could object to the hijab which the wife would wear. He could want the wife to dress more ‘moderately’ especially when accompanying him to a party. Moreover he could ask the wife to sit with him while he consumes alcohol. The husband could want the wife to serve alcohol for him and a couple of friends after dinner. It is a huge sin in Islam for a person to have anything to do with alcohol. Moreover the husband could want to eat pork for lunch or dinner and could ask the wife to cook it for him. Again this is something not allowed for a Muslim to do and thus would cause trouble in the family. The husband could find it okay for him to drink where his wife is offering prayers. It could be okay for the husband to keep a pet dog inside the house. This is another thing which is not allowed by Islam but the non-Muslim husband might not understand it. As it can be seen, there can be a lot of issues which can arise between the marriage of a Muslim woman and non-Muslim man.

    It is also important to point out that the non-Muslim man could later on, either of himself or out of pressure from his family, compel the Muslim woman to accept the faith he follows. On the other hand, a Muslim man respects the People of the Book and is under strict instructions from Allah(swt) not to compel his wife to change her faith. Hence the rights of a non-Muslim wife are secure and protected in the house of a Muslim man whereas it is not necessarily the same in a vice versa situation.

    One might say that it could also be possible for a non-Muslim wife to disrespect the Muslim husband’s beliefs as well. What is interesting is that such a case is highly unlikely to occur because of the teachings present in the books of the People of the Book. The Bible tells us that when Eve committed the sin, the punishment she received from God was:
    To the woman he said,
    “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
    with pain you will give birth to children.
    Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.” – [Genesis 3:16]
    Thus to the women of the People of the Book, their scripture teaches that their husband will rule over them and they are not to speak against them as the husbands are given this position by God. It should be noted here that such a concept does not exist in Islam and both Adam and Eve are blamed equally for the sin they committed. For details on that issue refer to my article “Original Sin or Original Forgiveness – What is the lesson?”

    Now let us further see what the religious scriptures, of the People of the Book, teach. They state that the wives are to submit to their husbands just as they submit to God. The wife is told to submit to their husbands just the way the church submits to Christ.
    Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. – [Ephesians 5:22-24]
    Another verse that is important to mention is as such:
    Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. – [1 Peter 3:1-2]
    As one can see that the women of the People of the Book are told to completely submit to their husbands regardless of whether the husband believes in the word or not. To them the husband has been given a position by God to rule over them. Thus it is highly unlikely for her to disrespect her husband. At the same time the non-Muslim man comes from the line of thought that they are in this world to rule over their wives and that their wives should submit to them like they would submit to God. Hence it is highly likely for there to be clashes between the marriages of non-Muslim men with Muslim women.

    However this would further give rise to another question which people could ask. They could say that Islam teaches the wife to be respectful towards her husband so then there should be no clash between a Muslim wife and her non-Muslim husband. This line of argument would hold to be true only if the husband was given a status above God in Islam. That is of course not the case and Islam asks for complete submission to Allah(swt) and then come other responsibilities. Islam stresses on Muslims to respect their parents yet Muslims are not supposed to follow their parents’ orders if they are contrary to the teachings of Islam. Similarly a Muslim woman is not to follow what her husband says if it is contrary to the teachings of Islam.

    Thus keeping all the factors in mind any Muslim woman would agree that she is better off marrying a Muslim man as opposed to a non-Muslim man. Allah(swt) has Absolute Wisdom and thus He has set laws which are only better for us. We, being humans, have limited wisdom which is negligible in front of Allah(swt) and thus at times we might not be able to comprehend the true reason why certain things are forbidden in Islam. Allah(swt) does know that many would not recognize that which is bad for us and thus He says in the Quran:
    But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. – [Quran 2:216]

    i know its really long but if you read it it explains why in Islam it is not allowed
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    I think it's something to do with the girl taking a non Muslim surname or something. If she has kids with a non Muslim the kids wouldn't be "proper" Muslims I think...
    probably not in since in Arab countries the woman keeps her surname :3 but the kids take after their dad though :/
    still you can change your surname X'D
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    I'd let a nazi doctor operate on me if he were to save my life - my life is kind of important. I'm not going to let ideology kill me. but why are we talking about doctors now? was I suggesting that I'd let a muslim doctor neglect to treat me? their profession and their morality are different things. it's not like I'm going to make friends with every person I make contracts/transactions with.
    Lets not beat around the bush, when you don't like someone - you don't like them. When you need them, its open arms.

    I completely understand if you don't like Islam etc, but hey - lets just along. Im not trying to make you think that your islamophobic etc but rather, you can disagree with what we believe in but lets not slate or make silly jokes like 'because islam is intolerant' on a sensitive thread like this.
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    (Original post by Legit)
    Just something I read which made me want to respond to this. you said 'which I personally believe is the reason behind the growth of fundamentalism' - I can't disagree with you more. You saying that we have all these problems because people take their scriptures to seriously. You saying, people take too seriously what they believe are the true divine words of God - like come on - this is a futile argument.
    I said that the scriptures were given by God to offer guidance to the followers of Islam on how to live a good life. In fact back then, many Muslim scholars encourages debates and discourses on the interpretations and applications of religious texts for different situations.

    We'll agree to disagree. Thank you!
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    (Original post by High Stakes)
    I said that the scriptures were given by God to offer guidance to the followers of Islam on how to live a good life. In fact back then, many Muslim scholars encourages debates and discourses on the interpretations and applications of religious texts for different situations.

    We'll agree to disagree. Thank you!
    I am all for discussion, debate and so on regarding scripture.

    I disagreed at the part at which you said that you think fundamentalists arose because people take scriptures like stone. If the divine word of God, whatever it is - it should be taken to stone. I understand what you mean though - that theres deeper meanings etc. So yeah!
 
 
 
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