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    Speaking out of personal experience with a system similar to this, aye. I worked better with similar people, which enabled me to progress further than I would have(we had an a b and c 'stream' system)
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    Speaking out of personal experience with a system similar to this, aye. I worked better with similar people, which enabled me to progress further than I would have(we had an a b and c 'stream' system)
    You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting such a disgusting bill
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    For the second reading the section on funding will be removed, and more controls will be introduced on the mixing of pupils from different backgrounds. Having children from lower socio-economic backgrounds mix with children from higher socio-economic backgrounds is good for those children from lower socio-economic backgrounds but bad for the children from higher socio-economic backgrounds who will benefit more mixing with their type of people who have high ambition, connections, and a similar lifestyle.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    For the second reading the section on funding will be removed, and more controls will be introduced on the mixing of pupils from different backgrounds. Having children from lower socio-economic backgrounds mix with children from higher socio-economic backgrounds is good for those children from lower socio-economic backgrounds but bad for the children from higher socio-economic backgrounds who will benefit more mixing with their type of people who have high ambition, connections, and a similar lifestyle.
    I stand by my previous remark about how if a snob doesn't want to interact with poor people then they can spend £7k+ per term on a snobs education.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    For the second reading the section on funding will be removed, and more controls will be introduced on the mixing of pupils from different backgrounds. Having children from lower socio-economic backgrounds mix with children from higher socio-economic backgrounds is good for those children from lower socio-economic backgrounds but bad for the children from higher socio-economic backgrounds who will benefit more mixing with their type of people who have high ambition, connections, and a similar lifestyle.
    so poor children aren't ambitious?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    so poor children aren't ambitious?
    I Don't think Nigel knows many poor children.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    For the second reading the section on funding will be removed, and more controls will be introduced on the mixing of pupils from different backgrounds. Having children from lower socio-economic backgrounds mix with children from higher socio-economic backgrounds is good for those children from lower socio-economic backgrounds but bad for the children from higher socio-economic backgrounds who will benefit more mixing with their type of people who have high ambition, connections, and a similar lifestyle.
    Still what do you have against people or a lower class than you ?
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Well this bill could very likely jeopardise the likelihood of many poorer students even going to uni.
    The same was said about fees hikes, and is being said about the removal of grants, both of those claims have been debunked.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The same was said about fees hikes, and is being said about the removal of grants, both of those claims have been debunked.
    Umm, this is genuinely giving poorer students a second class education, and giving funding to richer students. It will still:

    1. increase the education budget massively
    2. Cause lower social mobility
    3. lose money

    What don't you get about investing money into wealth being a bad idea? These people can pay for their own education if they don't want to mix with poorer students, or they can decide to leave the snobbery at home and actually gain some insight into how people other from themselves actually live, which may (you know) lead to them not being quite so out of touch.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Umm, this is genuinely giving poorer students a second class education, and giving funding to richer students. It will still:

    1. increase the education budget massively
    2. Cause lower social mobility
    3. lose money

    What don't you get about investing money into wealth being a bad idea? These people can pay for their own education if they don't want to mix with poorer students, or they can decide to leave the snobbery at home and actually gain some insight into how people other from themselves actually live, which may (you know) lead to them not being quite so out of touch.
    What ought to be being done is brining back tripartite, which actually largely has the same effect.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    What ought to be being done is brining back tripartite, which actually largely has the same effect.
    Tripartite doesn't separate students based on their parent's wealth. And at any rate, its focus on the IQ test is something I'm against.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    Tripartite doesn't separate students based on their parent's wealth. And at any rate, its focus on the IQ test is something I'm against.
    Ummm, it isn't focused on IQ, at least not directly... have you even seen an 11 plus paper or sample 11 plus questions?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, it isn't focused on IQ, at least not directly... have you even seen an 11 plus paper or sample 11 plus questions?
    I've done a test similar to the 11 plus, it's basically an IQ test. But then with General knowledge, English and Maths added in.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    I've done a test similar to the 11 plus, it's basically an IQ test. But then with General knowledge, English and Maths added in.
    You mean it's basically an all round examination with a few IQ test bits added in so as to test logical reasoning. The two are quite different, yours implies mainly logical reasoning with small arithmetical and written elements rather than being largely arithmetical and written with a logical reasoning element.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean it's basically an all round examination with a few IQ test bits added in so as to test logical reasoning. The two are quite different, yours implies mainly logical reasoning with small arithmetical and written elements rather than being largely arithmetical and written with a logical reasoning element.
    The difference is that the test was designed to test intelligence, like with an IQ test. However, there are many critics of the IQ test (I'm one of them) who say that the IQ test, only highlights one aspect of intelligence.
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    The difference is that the test was designed to test intelligence, like with an IQ test. However, there are many critics of the IQ test (I'm one of them) who say that the IQ test, only highlights one aspect of intelligence.
    Again, last time I checked IQ tests didn't include dedicated papers on arithmetic and essay writing.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Again, last time I checked IQ tests didn't include dedicated papers on arithmetic and essay writing.
    "the Eleven Plus was redesigned during the 1960s to be more like an IQ test."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleven...am#Controversy
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    (Original post by James Milibanter)
    "the Eleven Plus was redesigned during the 1960s to be more like an IQ test."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleven...am#Controversy
    Whilst I'm not sure which way around is more accurate, you are more like a banana than a baboon (or a baboon is more like a banana than you), that does not make whichever is closer a banana.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Whilst I'm not sure which way around is more accurate, you are more like a banana than a baboon (or a baboon is more like a banana than you), that does not make whichever is closer a banana.
    I actually took the 11 plus (I didn't realise it was the same test until I saw on wikipedia), to get into the Grammar School Latimer in Edmonton (North London). It started with a non-verbal reasoning (IQ) test filtering students off there, then went on to verbal reasoning before concluding at English and Math skills (again, filtering off students still).
 
 
 
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