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    (Original post by Squirrel777)
    The life is dreadful, I won't dispute that, but the support is sufficient. We have one of the best packages for the disabled and elderly in the world. You people need to look at America, India, China, France, Greece, Russia and many others before you bash the UK policy. The left have nothing better to do than complain about UK services when situations in the rest of the word are more dire
    I'm disabled. My life is not 'dreadful'. I have friends, I have hobbies. My life is actually pretty good. But I am still disabled.

    Some of the not good things in my life are the stigma of being on benefits and the way people think they can tell me what to do because I'm on benefits; the stigma due to my disability; people like you telling me my life is 'dreadful' purely because I'm disabled.
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    (Original post by Squirrel777)
    The life is dreadful, I won't dispute that, but the support is sufficient. We have one of the best packages for the disabled and elderly in the world. You people need to look at America, India, China, France, Greece, Russia and many others before you bash the UK policy. The left have nothing better to do than complain about UK services when situations in the rest of the word are more dire
    I'm sure we could get to their shity level with enough effort. Will you play your part? Your attitude can lead to a race to the bottom nation wise.

    I'm always harping on about America anyway.

    The reason our country is better than them is because it is full of annoying people like myself that don;t stop moaning.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Thanks please do weigh in though, it often seems there are a good few lefties here but we aren't as zealous and we are scared to say what we think.
    I did weigh in earlier on in the thread- I felt like I had said everything I needed to say- and I don't particularly want to keep bashing my head against the wall with some people. But I will always speak up... I sometimes get hammered for the things I say but I'm not afraid to put my thoughts out there.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    I'm disabled. My life is not 'dreadful'. I have friends, I have hobbies. My life is actually pretty good. But I am still disabled.

    Some of the not good things in my life are the stigma of being on benefits and the way people think they can tell me what to do because I'm on benefits; the stigma due to my disability; people like you telling me my life is 'dreadful' purely because I'm disabled.
    Your honest account which is more effective at splicing the narrative than any of my retorts is great.

    It makes people realise that what they are 'arguing' over is actually a real thing, and highlights just how many people have big misconceptions.

    You're an inspiration.
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    (Original post by EtherealNymph22)
    I did weigh in earlier on in the thread- I felt like I had said everything I needed to say- and I don't particularly want to keep bashing my head against the wall with some people. But I will always speak up... I sometimes get hammered for the things I say but I'm not afraid to put my thoughts out there.
    Ik it's bloody annoying, I know most of these idiots are just teenage boys trying to be edgy but it still pisses me off. You end up saying the same crap over and over again
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    I've had to go back to claiming ESA SG because I've been unable to hold down studying and working at the same time. I'll tell you why I am entitled to my benefits and what I use them for,

    ESA additional rate £30.

    I use this for travel costs.
    I have mentioned numerous times that I have a personality disorder as well as Autism. I find it difficult getting from A to B. This money goes on petrol for my friends, relatives and parents to ferry me around.

    A bus for disabled people would be nice but would these buses be able to serve all disabled people for their medical appointments, community journeys and grocery shopping trips?

    ESA enhanced disability premium rate £15.75

    I have a habit of wetting the bed and having pre-mature urination issues when I'm in public. This is a mental health problem as well as something related to my bladder & liver. I there for spend a lot of money washing clothes more then often as well as having to replace blankets, mattresses and chairs.

    All of these things use to be covered on the NHS when disabled people where in institutions but when Margret Thatcher closed the institutions and created care in the community the provision was given in a cash form instead to disability benefit claimants.

    ESA severe disability premium rate £61.85

    My Parents work so I don't have the luxury of a carer. I get this money so I can hire private sector services to assist me in my day to day care needs.

    I tend to spend it on help cleaning my home which can get in a real tip sometimes due to either phases of depression or just me basically have a huge anger lapse. There are also times when I just cannot cook period so I give my neighbors some money to cook meals for me or I order it from the local Pub which does take-away. Note: This ain't junk food it is a Roast with Vegetables.

    The NHS use to provide Adult Social Care. The Government then switched this to local councils and now Adult Social Care hardly exists because Councils have had to make huge cuts.

    ESA Permitted Work up to £107.20.

    I had to stop doing this due to my health but I used the money for a couple extra luxuries in life like buying a computer to be able to socialize with other disabled people as well as discuss politics on TSR.

    Permitted Work is the Tax Credit system for disabled people who can only do less than 16 hours work a week. It is a stair-case system to allow a disabled person to switch to Tax Credits or downsize to Permitted Work due to ill health.

    Note: I can only work as long as my medication sedates me for. I take a anti-psychotic medication called Risperidone.

    Anyway ................................ ........

    Over time I haven't been very honest on TSR and I can understand why right-wingers won't believe anything I say but I wrote this to support the fellow disabled people who have shared their testimonies but also to give friends like ChaoticButterfly, Scotgrot, Bornblue and other people my true situation. I respect you lot. You are decent people even though I behave like a ass most of the time.

    I would defend disabled peoples right to these amounts of welfare for 2 reasons.

    1. People who have no mental health problems and are able bodied can go out into the job market and work as many hours as they choose. Some disabled people do not have the luxury of doing this and others are limited to how long they can work.

    2. Disabled people need additional help for day to day living. I am not proud to say that I need additional help in doing things. In-fact I feel weak and ashamed.

    So on a lighter note I would like to congratulate the usual right-wingers on here who knew all along I was a disabled scrounger looking to protect his own interests.

    Scrounger that is the word the right-wingers use to oppress genuine disabled people. Well I'd rather be a scrounger than a heartless Tory who worships wealth & inequality.

    I am not afraid anymore to admit I am disabled and for the past 5 years I've been pushed down by multiple people, groups and organisations but there are those of you who keep fighting and lifting me up and giving me reason to carry on.

    So I will carry on.

    The house of Lords and the Courts has deemed the ESA 30% cut immoral and the Bedroom Tax immoral.

    With the tables starting to turn and all you comrades by my side I think its worth carrying on being a disabled student and trying to graduate.

    I love you guys.
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    I'm not surprised, they should've waited. Too much controversy around all this 'The DWP made me kill myself!!!!!!' rubbish for this to be passed right now.
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    Why should disabled people receive more money than your normal job-seeker does? What do they need to spend money on that isn't provided for them by the NHS already?

    To be quite honest I think a lot of disabled people try to live too luxurious lives. If you are disabled then why should you expect more money spent on your than the bare minimum required. Why do disabled people need cars for example? I'd rather the government spend more money on those disability buses to haul these people around.

    All we have done is create a society where you can gorge yourself until you become morbidly obese and then have taxpayers facilitate the avoidance of rehabilitating exercise by forking out money for mobility scooters and the like.

    I shall tell you where a lot of this money is going...to the willing precariat! You may get two long-term unemployed individuals (say husband and wife) and one of them becomes ill through natural ageing or poor lifestyle, the wife for example, and applies for ESA. The husband (who never had an intention of getting a job anyway) then becomes the 'full-time carer' for the woman and receives £62.10 a week for sitting at home all day while his wife probably still continues to hoover and cook dinner as before.

    Disabled people shouldn't be some holy untouchable group that must be kept in luxury while the rest of society tightens its belt. It might upset people to read this but disabled people are intrinsically of lower worth to the state and society. This is not debatable (but you can give it a go).

    There is a true decadence among the so-called disabled that needs to be harshly stamped out and unfortunately some of the truly disabled will suffer, but we have all had to suffer over the last 8 years and everyone needs to take their fair share of the burden.

    Taxpayers shouldn't help subsidise nonsensical expensive homoeopathic remedies like coco-butter that disabled people can live without, and frankly, only people with severe motile disability, say those lacking legs, should receive disability car-parking permits. "Oh I've got a bad back I can't walk 10 extra steps"...

    It's laziness and complacency frankly, these people would be tramps on the street if it wasn't for the money they receive and they should be more grateful that they aren't forced to do peoples' ironing or something.
    Right. First of all please clarify which disabilities you're referring to here. I totally agree with you on the obese people and minor injuries points - for fat people got themselves into that position and if you're still able to walk okay then why do you need it?

    However... Many disabilities aren't noticeable to most people. These are actually the most damaging - more so than having no legs as these disabilities affect the brain not the body. These are also the ones which are constantly discriminated against in the job marketplace, schools, communities of all kinds and government. People accuse us of pretending to be disabled, when in fact we actually are and suffer more problems every day than someone with no legs would.

    Now before I get called a special snowflake for the third time today I'd like to clear up some incorrect stereotypes and myths about disabilities - particularly autism. Autism does not necessarily mean drooling at the mouth and unable to speak or learn, there are two types of autism which affect people in slightly different ways.

    The one people think of when they talk about autism is called low-functioning autism. This is the kind which causes severe learning difficulties and can destroy people's futures from the moment they are born. These people need the benefits because it pays for learning support. The other type (the invisible type and the one I have) is high-functioning autism. Instead of crushing people's ability to learn this type does the complete opposite. I apologize here for how this might come across, but please note that both normal people and high-functioning autistic people rely on each other so neither is more important than the other. High functioning autism is in fact the cause of genius levels of IQ. Not many people know about this because the media wont mention it in case normal people get jealous and cause further discrimination towards autistic people. To name a few examples of this: James Taylor (famous singer/songwriter), Bill Gates (owner of Microsoft), Satoshi Tajiri (creator of Pokemon) and Tim Page (renowned music critic) have all been diagnosed with high functioning autism. Experts in the field also believe that Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Sir Isaac Newton and Einstein (among many more) also had high functioning autism, based on studies of their typical behaviors and lives.

    It's not all that great though. Both types of autism cause severe social and communication difficulties. We rarely get accepted anywhere because although we look normal people can tell that we're different from our lack of social skills. Normal kids often bully autistic kids because they're seen as "weird" and "deranged." I myself have suffered from this kind of treatment for my whole life. I was disowned by my aunt, uncle and cousins on one side of the family and those on the other side are only just starting to accept me now because one of my cousins on that side was diagnosed as autistic. I've been bullied throughout school and was given clinical depression and paranoia by this treatment. The parents of the kids in my classes even had the nerve to demand that the school moved their kids out of my classes for fear of their kid "catching autism!" My family's by no means rich, and without the benefits I receive I'd have never been able to pay for the help I needed to repair all of the damage that a lifetime of discrimination had caused. Now I can get on with my life instead of being confined to my house from the fear of another day of crap from people.

    As for the cause of autism, it's entirely genetic. The confusion comes from several infections and brain injuries which cause conditions which are similar, however these are not autism because they are aquired conditions whereas autism is something you're born with and have for your whole life.

    Okay Tumblr rant over

    Basically, just bear in mind that most disabled people with unseen conditions are genuine. Those fat couch potatoes aren't though. I'm all for scrapping their disability/health benefits entirely - they got themselves into that state so it's not our responsibility to clean up their mess.

    Oh by the way, high functioning autism is most commonly referred to as Asperger's syndrome, if you were planning on looking it up.
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    (Original post by Roofas)
    Why should disabled people receive more money than your normal job-seeker does? What do they need to spend money on that isn't provided for them by the NHS already?
    All NHS provision for the disabled was cut many years ago. Your talking at least 20 years to my knowledge. It all got devolved to local councils and now due to the Tories cutting all funding from local Government those services are no more.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    To be quite honest I think a lot of disabled people try to live too luxurious lives. If you are disabled then why should you expect more money spent on your than the bare minimum required. Why do disabled people need cars for example? I'd rather the government spend more money on those disability buses to haul these people around.
    The motability scheme car is a lease which a disabled person has the option of paying for from the money they get from their Personal Independence Payment.

    The people who take advantage of this scheme are often wheel chair bound people or those who have severe issues which prevent them from walking such as Lung Cancer, Emphysema or Chrons Disease.

    The majority of people who get PIP-Mobility Payment use this money for travel means to get to work and back since they are unable to use a normal car.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    All we have done is create a society where you can gorge yourself until you become morbidly obese and then have taxpayers facilitate the avoidance of rehabilitating exercise by forking out money for mobility scooters and the like.
    Actually that is ignorant comment you've just made there. I will use my own experience as a reason why you are wrong.

    I am morbidly obese and the reason isn't because I eat the wrong food but because weight gain is a side-effect of the medication which I have to take to manage my behavioral problems & psychosis which one of my disability causes.

    I take something called risperidone. Here is the link where you can check the side effect that causes weight gain.


    http://www.drugs.com/risperidone.html

    (Original post by Roofas)
    I shall tell you where a lot of this money is going...to the willing precariat! You may get two long-term unemployed individuals (say husband and wife) and one of them becomes ill through natural ageing or poor lifestyle, the wife for example, and applies for ESA. The husband (who never had an intention of getting a job anyway) then becomes the 'full-time carer' for the woman and receives £62.10 a week for sitting at home all day while his wife probably still continues to hoover and cook dinner as before.
    And now your trying to generalize every disabled person as someone who claims ESA for having a bad back.

    I was born with my disabilities. I have a genetic disorder which is the cause of the majority of my disabilities and like many other disabled people this is the case.

    You are using weak fictional smears to justify your opinion that disability benefits should be cut.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    Disabled people shouldn't be some holy untouchable group that must be kept in luxury while the rest of society tightens its belt. It might upset people to read this but disabled people are intrinsically of lower worth to the state and society. This is not debatable (but you can give it a go).
    I think your find that disabled people have been the hardest hit in terms of austerity cuts from the time the Conservatives started cutting welfare and other services.

    To suggest that disabled people are living in luxury is incredibly ignorant and shows you have some sort of agenda where your trying to pitch one group of people against disabled people who seem to be your scapegoat.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    There is a true decadence among the so-called disabled that needs to be harshly stamped out and unfortunately some of the truly disabled will suffer, but we have all had to suffer over the last 8 years and everyone needs to take their fair share of the burden.
    Again I will repeat myself. Disabled people have been the hardest hit during the austerity that has took place. Disabled people have been the hardest hit more than any other group!

    And there you go again. Your trying to separate disabled people into the undeserving and the deserving. Your trying to divide and conquer. I know your game.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    Taxpayers shouldn't help subsidise nonsensical expensive homoeopathic remedies like coco-butter that disabled people can live without, and frankly, only people with severe motile disability, say those lacking legs, should receive disability car-parking permits. "Oh I've got a bad back I can't walk 10 extra steps"...
    And again your trying to say that the extra costs disabled people face are nothing but bogus 'homoeopathic remedies'. Your trying to paint the genuine needs of disabled people as selfish wants?

    Let me tell you something. People have to literally save up for those expensive wheel chairs that are battery operated. The same way as I myself have to replace mattresses due to them being soaking in bodily fluids or having to smoother my skin in e45 because I suffer from Psorasis and Ezema all over my body due to having a disability which causes auto-immune problems.

    You know nothing so you shouldnt speak on the issue. Your no different than Iain Duncan Smith.

    (Original post by Roofas)
    It's laziness and complacency frankly, these people would be tramps on the street if it wasn't for the money they receive and they should be more grateful that they aren't forced to do peoples' ironing or something.
    Before the Tories came to power I and many other severe disabled people where doing charity work all over the country.

    I was volunteering in a professional kitchen cooking top quality restaurant food for hard working people at a discounted price. I did this because I loved working with food and I loved showing my cities hard working people that I respect the contributions they make so I can have a decent life.

    Again you know nothing.
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    (Original post by EtherealNymph22)
    Your honest account which is more effective at splicing the narrative than any of my retorts is great.

    It makes people realise that what they are 'arguing' over is actually a real thing, and highlights just how many people have big misconceptions.

    You're an inspiration.
    I am also not inspiration porn.
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    I am also not inspiration porn.
    I personally think people who are brave enough to stand up for themselves in a space full of people berating them are inspiring. I'm sorry if that offends you but I wasn't using you as inspiration porn.
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    (Original post by EtherealNymph22)
    I personally think people who are brave enough to stand up for themselves in a space full of people berating them are inspiring. I'm sorry if that offends you but I wasn't using you as inspiration porn.
    Its okay. I think your more inspired about those of us who are class conscious. If you have came to the point where you are able to see your own class and the benefits, privileges, disadvantages and handicaps of others you making a lot of progress to be a more benevolent human being.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Its okay. I think your more inspired about those of us who are class conscious. If you have came to the point where you are able to see your own class and the benefits, privileges, disadvantages and handicaps of others you making a lot of progress to be a more benevolent human being.
    I'm from a working class background but probably fit into something resembling a middle class bracket now (though I'll always be working class in my mind- I don't forget what I came from!) so I am aware of the struggles of being in a particular class and the ignorance amongst others. The experience of 'being' in both or having experienced both have given me quite a insight into people's attitudes and how they change based on their own personal interests (which of course they don't put it across like that-but it's essentially true).

    If what I said was ignorant to Asmalltowngirl because often disabled people are used as inspiration porn then I'm sincerely sorry for that. But I was being completely genuine that I am inspired by people who stand up for themselves in difficult situations, whether it's in real life or on an online forum. The other day a friend on here stood up for herself where class and disability are IRRELEVANT as many people were attacking her for something and that inspired me. Not because she's some special case, but just because that's my personal opinion of people who show strength in the face of adversity.
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    Despite being a massive believer in Conservatism, and incredibly anti-welfare (I believe taxes are far to high in this country for middle class to wealthy people), I do have to admit this is wrong. Sick and disabled people have to be supported financially; these people have no possibility of undertaking a job of any sort, and it's only right we help them. But in general, the other welfare cuts the government has made have been excellent. It is your responsibility, if mentally and physically capable, to get skills that are valued by employers. If you do not have them, you simply did not work hard enough, and hence you do not deserve to have the same standard of life as others. In general, it's unfair to make hard-working wealthy and middle-class people provide for those who have not worked as hard as them (work referring to jobs that involve critical thinking and learning not just turning up to work everyday). People do not understand that the reason we have so called poverty in this country is not because the minimum wage is too low; in fact it is perfectly fair for someone with no skills, but we have it because those in low income families insist on having the things that more hard working families enjoy. Ie eating from m&s, having iPhones, having TVs. Everyone is quick to forget that, that lifestyle is a privilege, not everyone is automatically entitled to them.
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    (Original post by Mathematicus65)
    Despite being a massive believer in Conservatism, and incredibly anti-welfare (I believe taxes are far to high in this country for middle class to wealthy people), I do have to admit this is wrong. Sick and disabled people have to be supported financially; these people have no possibility of undertaking a job of any sort, and it's only right we help them. But in general, the other welfare cuts the government has made have been excellent. It is your responsibility, if mentally and physically capable, to get skills that are valued by employers. If you do not have them, you simply did not work hard enough, and hence you do not deserve to have the same standard of life as others. In general, it's unfair to make hard-working wealthy and middle-class people provide for those who have not worked as hard as them (work referring to jobs that involve critical thinking and learning not just turning up to work everyday). People do not understand that the reason we have so called poverty in this country is not because the minimum wage is too low; in fact it is perfectly fair for someone with no skills, but we have it because those in low income families insist on having the things that more hard working families enjoy. Ie eating from m&s, having iPhones, having TVs. Everyone is quick to forget that, that lifestyle is a privilege, not everyone is automatically entitled to them.
    What you forget though is the Conservative Government have been hitting disabled people more than any other group in the country.

    Lets take for example the most severe disabled people in our country. They had a care in the community package which was set up by Margret Thatcher. This was called the Independent Living Fund. David Camerons Government devolved the ILF to local councils which in turn dismantled it and used the funding from it to fund their other services. In the end ILF users had their care hours reduced by up to 60%.

    Then there is the Bedroom tax which has been deemed illegal yet has caused poverty & misery to loads of vulnerable people.

    The whole ESA & PIP testing system has ended up costing the Government up to £200 a test and the cuts which the disability benefit changes have ended up costing the Government more money rather than saving money.

    In terms of disability care services and welare this Conservative Government has failed and made things worse.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    I'm not surprised, they should've waited. Too much controversy around all this 'The DWP made me kill myself!!!!!!' rubbish for this to be passed right now.
    People committing suicide is a load of "rubbish" now?
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    (Original post by TheGuyReturns)
    People committing suicide is a load of "rubbish" now?
    Is that what I said? No. Don't twist words. I said people claiming they have committed suicide because of the DWP is rubbish - which it is.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    Is that what I said? No. Don't twist words. I said people claiming they have committed suicide because of the DWP is rubbish - which it is.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-coroner-rules
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    This man had recurrent depression and was on anti ds when he died - that's what killed him, not DWP.
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    (Original post by infairverona)
    This man had recurrent depression and was on anti ds when he died - that's what killed him, not DWP.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...rectly-5634404
 
 
 
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